On mardi 30 avril 2013 à 17:47:29 (-0300), Fernando Botelho wrote:
> Dear Jean-Philippe,
> 
> Please download and install Jonathan's LXDE version of Sonar and all
> your questions shall be answered.

Ok. I note and will try.

> 
> The LXDE team has been very wise and correct in including
> accessibility among their core bojectives, but they will change
> their mind very quickly if all they hear from the blind community
> is: "do this for me and do that for me, because I cannot take the
> time to research or help with anything".

Well, thanks to LXDE team! It's a great initiative in the current context and
for accessibility of free software and Linux in general. I understand what
thread you refer to, but I don't feel concerned just now.

> 
> There is a lot of good will and good intentions, but we are all just
> getting started. Documentation is being talked about and as that
> evolves, I am sure there will be a section for accessibility.

Well. For my part I can help with testing and writing the docs, and to 
translate.
That's why I want to do tests. I also would like these improvements to be
shipped in major distros, hence my question about the releases. Finally, to
test, I think more and more (from my gnome experience) that the best way to help
is testing the source as designed by devs, before any distro-specific packaging.
That's why also I wanted to test the source, then have info to see chances to
see these improvements in standard distros, then dev status to help as I've
always done: testing and documenting and promoting. I've been somewhat 
discuraged
for some months with gnome3 and other out-of-computing issues, now I try to
come back in community and help, what I do with some virtualization soft help
and a support to a distro. So I only start my support, I hope not being
discuraged.

> Something that I suspect is not included in the Sonar version of
> LXDE is magnification. However, despite some initial difficulties
> with cursor tracking, about which we are talking with the developer;
> there is already someone using the eZoom plugin for Compiz Fusion on
> LXDE.

Excellent. But will this work be shipped someday in Compiz-Cusion? The dev
of Compiz doesn't seem very active, am I wrong?

> My apologies in advance for being a little blunt earlier. Everyone
> has been quite cooperative and if there are specific questions that
> do not involve summarizing everything that is available, please go
> ahead and send it to the list. In all likelyhood someone more
> qualified than I will be able to answer.

OK. I have a lot of hope in these new desktops. As gnome is more and more
weird for me and hard to compile, I really hope xfce/lxde will bring actually
some alternative. Thanks very much to dev. Let's test and see what exists
today.

Sincerely,

> Fernando
> 
> 
> On 04/30/2013 04:09 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >XFCE has an accessibility page but the work is still "in progress", according
> >to orca's devs when xfce 4.10 was released.
> >
> >I'm sorry to ask this but can someone make me a summary of lxde 
> >accessibility,
> >I mean, what lxde release works? what orca release? Do we have with that the
> >menus? Are there keyboards shortcuts to see the menu? Finally, is there a
> >magnifier?
> >
> >Otherwise: where is this info present? Where can I find sume summary?
> >
> >I think I'll compile lxde myself as I guess Debian isn't up-to-date, Ubuntu
> >is but I don't know what choosing; others distros are not install-accessible.
> >
> >Thanks for your answer
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >On lundi 29 avril 2013 à 15:45:05 (+0200), JM wrote:
> >>On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:06:26 -0400
> >>Josh Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi
> >>>I was told everything in LXDE is accessible with the orca screen reader
> >>>except for the panel that gives you access to the wireless and bluetooth
> >>>and stuff like that. I have an idea for a project, for setting up my own
> >>>business possibly and for this to work I need LXDE to be fully
> >>>accessible. Please make the panel work with orca and fix other
> >>>accessibility with lxde and orca. Also if you could please make a small
> >>>app perhaps with zenity dialogs to enable typing with a braille keyboard
> >>>in lxde through the braille keyboard support in xorg this would be
> >>>helpful as well. thanks.
> >>>Josh
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Accessibility seems to be one word for something related to a panel of 
> >>possible needs.
> >>I just read a page at Xfce4 website to see what they are working on in the 
> >>matter, some
> >>parts in this page might give ideas to the devs working on it, so I copy 
> >>the link
> >>here: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap/accessibility
> >>
> >>I read another page just before and found it a bit short, but I'll paste it 
> >>too anyway.
> >>http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/accessibility
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>mélodie
> >>
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