evolution is no longer accessible? I'll have to install that one and see how it is. last time I heard it worked but that was a few years ago.
On 5/1/2013 9:30 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: > Hi Mélodie, > > Perhaps I should explain what distros like F123, Sonar, and Vinux do. > > These distros are meant to make life easier for the blind. They do not > generally make source code changes, and the few times they do, they > share with upstream projects. They are different in that they make > installation by the blind easier by turning the Orca screen reader on by > default. They also make special configurations like predefined keyboard > shortcuts and simple things like making the Nautilus default showing of > files be as list instead of icons. > > These distros also save disk space by taking out applications that are > no longer accessible to the Orca screen reader, like Evolution, and > using instead Thunderbird. > > Other software that is included, may be related to accessibility. For > example, F123 brings Compiz Fusion already setup with the eZoom plugin. > It is off by default, using Metacity, but can be easily turned on. > > In all these distros, F123, Sonar, and Vinux, people give constant > feedback to upstream projects where such feedback is occasionally > ignored and occasionally acted on. > > I am responsible for F123, and as soon as I heard that Gnome Fallback > was going to be discontinued, I started searching for something like > LXDE. While I can make changes such as the above within my own distro, > any change to the source code of a core application like a window > manager or such, is best done upstream, in this case, in LXDE itself, so > it trickles down to Lubuntu, and from there to F123. > > As far as I know, these projects have slightly different philosophies in > as far as what type of users they want to attract and how, but they are > all committed to the FOSS strategy. I know Vinux has sent code patches > upstream perhaps even to the Firefox community, I know Jonathan's Sonar > initiative is helping make LibreOffice more accessible to all of us, and > in my own case, F123 has contributed funding to Compiz Fusion eZoom > work, as well as to WebKitGTK accessibility development. > > In the interest of getting the gball rolling and more blind users > testing LXDE, I have recommended that they try out LXDE on Sonar, > because it is the only one that I know is currently available for > download with LXDE ready to go. If accessibility improves I am sure we > will have an F123 based on LXDE and probably many others. None of us > have the resources to go it alone, so do not worry about people keeping > code improvements to themselves. If anyone goes in that direction, they > will soon regret it when they see the high cost of keeping things in > parallel to the main project. > > If I have been unclear by using Lubuntu when I should have said LXDE, > sorry about that. I am also new in this group and I am doing my best to > be constructive even if occasionally I make my own mistakes as well. > > I hope this helps, > > Fernando > > > On 04/30/2013 08:24 PM, JM wrote: >> >>> On 04/30/2013 06:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: >>>> Hello! >> >>>> Fernando Botelho has written on Tuesday, 30 April, at 17:47: >> >>>>> Please download and install Jonathan's LXDE version of Sonar and all >>>>> your questions shall be answered. >> >>>>> The LXDE team has been very wise and correct in including accessibility >>>>> among their core bojectives, but they will change their mind very >>>>> quickly if all they hear from the blind community is: "do this for me >>>>> and do that for me, because I cannot take the time to research or help >>>>> with anything". >> >>>> If you have own version of LXDE with improved accessibility that's >>>> not very polite to keep it for youself but it's better to give your >>>> improvements to LXDE team to include those into main source instead. >> >>>>> There is a lot of good will and good intentions, but we are all just >>>>> getting started. Documentation is being talked about and as that >>>>> evolves, I am sure there will be a section for accessibility. >> >>>> I've added some documentation related to accessibility for PCManFM >>>> onto LXDE wiki site - http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM#Tips_and_Tricks >>>> and I believe all documentation of such kind should be presented at the >>>> Wiki and be easily findable. >>>> >>>> Andriy. >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:28:37 -0300 >> Fernando Botelho <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Andriy, >>> >>> I am assuming that Orca screen reader version and other LXDE software on >>> Sonar Linux is not different than LXDE on others like Lubuntu, but we >>> can check with Jonathan. I know that he is committed to the free >>> software philosophy, but you are right, we can ask him about >>> configurations or other changes that might prove useful to Lubuntu. >>> >>> Fernando >> >> >> Hi Fernando, >> >> I notice you talk about Lubuntu : this is an Ubuntu flavor which is provided >> with the >> LXDE desktop. >> >> Here it was about the LXDE development, which will benefit to all the >> distributions where >> LXDE can be installed as an alternative to other integrated desktop, and not >> just to one >> version of one GNU/Linux distribution. :) >> >> Regards, >> Mélodie >> >> -- >> >> LinuxVillage >> http://beta.linuxvillage.net >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET >> Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. >> Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead >> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 >> _______________________________________________ >> Lxde-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET > Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. > Code-level diagnostics for performance bottlenecks with <2% overhead > Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap1 > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing AppDynamics Lite, a free troubleshooting tool for Java/.NET Get 100% visibility into your production application - at no cost. 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