Now I'm re-reading the Club100 instructions and it looks like I have to use the RS232 jack. That really changes things..... The instructions say the best solution is to solder the wires to the DB25 connector. Where? The pin out makes no sense to me.
Curtis On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM AvantGuard Systems < [email protected]> wrote: > OK, so it seems like the easiest thing for me to try for now is using an > Android device, which I have plenty of. I've installed the mcomm program > from Club100's website. Now I just have to figure out the proper pin out > for a DB9 cable. Let me explain. > I have a Cisco DB9 to RJ45 cord. > The pin out is explained here: > https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/serial/cisco-console-rj45-to-db9-pin/ > When I look at the instructions on Club100 it looks like only pins 2-8 are > used. > > HOWEVER! I'm no electrician, but I tested each pin for the DB9 to RJ45 and > here's how they came out. First item is the DB9 pin and the second the RJ45 > from the top (the side without the clip). > > 1 > 2 > 2 nowhere > 3 > 6 > 4 > 7 > 5 > 4 > 6 > 2 > 7 > 8 > 8 > 1 > 9 nowhere > > Looking at various Cisco charts however, it seems to me that I'm reading > things completely wrong. That the RJ45 should be read not from left to > right, but the other way. And this lines up more with various Cisco docs. > So that get us: > > 1 > 7 > 2 nowhere > 3 > 3 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 7 > 1 > 8 > 8 > 9 nowhere > > My question is what is the right pin out as I could rewire however I want > easily. Cut off the old jack and put in a new one. > > Thanks! > > Curtis > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:58 PM Brian K. White <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 2/23/21 6:38 PM, AvantGuard Systems wrote: >> > Now, I'm wondering whether there's a way to transfer files from my >> > computer to the M100..... >> >> Many ways. >> >> How to decide which of the many ways depends on what your priorities >> are, convenience or cost, and on what you have available for a modern >> machine. >> >> For instance one super convenient option is there is an Android app that >> is both a TPDD server and TPDD client installer/bootstrapper. You don't >> have to buy anything but the serial cable and usb adapter, but you >> always need that anyway. But that's only super convenient if you happen >> to have an Android phone or tablet. And I suppose only if moving files >> to a phone instead of your real computer is good enough, maybe via >> google drive. >> >> The generally most convenient and robust way is a serial cable and a >> TPDD emulator and a REX#. >> >> Whatever other software or hardware you use, you pretty much always need >> this cable: >> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Serial_Cable >> >> Then there are several different things you can do that are all >> different levels of convenient, reliable, binary-safe, expensive, >> requiring special cables or parts or software, etc. >> >> You can use just the plain built-in telcom app and teraterm-pro or putty >> or really any serial comm program on the modern machine to transfer >> plain text. This gets you text documents and *some* basic programs but >> not all, maybe not all database/spreadsheet files either, definitely no >> tokenized basic and no binary executables. >> The advantage here is you don't have to buy anything but the serial >> cable and usb-serial adapter, and don't have to somehow get software >> installed onto the 100 the first time before you can start using it. But >> it's limited and error-prone and inconvenient. >> >> Better is to use a tpdd server on the modern machine and tpdd client on >> the 100. >> >> But that requires a few more pieces, for one thing, you need to get a >> tpdd client onto the 100 somehow the first time. It's a chicken and egg >> problem. If you already had an easy way to transfer files to transfer >> the tpdd client program, then what do you need the tpdd client program >> for? If you need the tpdd client program to transfer files, then how do >> you transfer the tpdd client program itself before it's installed? >> >> In the old days the answer was you bought the client program in the form >> of a ROM chip you plugged in to the option rom socket, or you loaded it >> from cassette tape. >> >> Today neither of those is all that practical. They are both still >> possible. There is an mp3 of the cassette file for TS-DOS (at least for >> model 100/102, not all the others). So IF you had the cassette cable you >> could do that. You could build yourself a TS-DOS option rom. There are >> plans and links to parts to make a totally neat little module, but it's >> kind of ridiculous amount of parts and labor and tools needed for what >> you get in the end. (I can say that since it's mine) >> http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom >> >> The MOST convenient way to get a tpdd client onto the 100 is to buy a >> REX# and just pop it in. That gets you TS-DOS in ROM, as well as a whole >> option rom library and memory backup device on-board. And that allows >> you to use any tpdd server on the modern machine. The 3 main ones right >> now are mComm, LaddieAlpha, and dlplus. >> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REXsharp >> >> If you don't have or don't want to buy a REX# (or build your own REX >> classic or Teeprom), the next-most convenient is to use a tpdd server >> that includes a bootstrapper that can install a tpdd client app onto the >> 100 whenever you need to, using the same serial connection that you need >> anyway to use the tpdd client and server. mComm and dlplus include a >> bootstrapper. >> >> And it depends what platform the modern machine is. >> For Android or Windows, there is mComm. >> >> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum >> >> For Linux or Mac, there is dlplus. >> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus >> >> There is also a python version of mComm which you could run on almost >> anything, but that requires a little more fiddling. >> >> In fact I still haven't covered everything but these are the most >> practical options today. >> >> -- >> bkw >> >> >> >> > >> > Curtis >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:00 PM AvantGuard Systems >> > <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Steve, >> > Thanks for the response! I've figured it all out finally. Just trial >> > and error until something worked. I just posted the Wifi card I'm >> > using, but again it's: https://is.gd/2QfZNy <https://is.gd/2QfZNy> >> > And there's info also at: https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem >> > <https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem> >> > >> > Curtis >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Baker <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Greetings Curtis! >> > >> > What type of RS232 modem do you use with the KayPro? Just >> > curious as I love retro-tech and am always looking to try out >> > new gear and fun stuff! >> > >> > Re: connecting to BBSs, Telnet sites, FTP sites, etc. using the >> > M100, one trick is to ensure the baud rate is the same on the >> > Model T and the RS232-WiFi card in the Term program. There’s no >> > special dial code and it doesn’t know about the address book (I >> > wrote down my favorite BBSs, Telnet, FTP, etc.). >> > >> > Basically just use the “atdt host.domain:port” command and it’ll >> > connect you through techno-magic. I did recently make a quick >> > video that does happen to show me connecting to one Telnet site >> > using my Tandy 102, if this is of any help. Again, your mileage >> > might vary depending on the gadget you’re using. >> > >> > https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4 <https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4> >> > >> > Hope this helps, and happy to offer whatever experience and/or >> > thoughts that I might have to help! >> > SB >> > >> > -- >> > Greetings from Steve Baker >> > “Gravity brings me down…” >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Feb 23, 2021, at 4:25 PM, AvantGuard Systems >> >> <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Really need to start saving my searches... anyhow, I know I >> >> somewhere saw information about using a wifi modem on the >> >> RS232 jack for network access. >> >> I have a wifi RS232 modem for my KayPro so I thought I'd try >> >> it on the M100. Any ideas about how to go about sending the >> >> right dial code (I assume from the address book) to maybe make >> >> it work? Or am I just going about this all wrong.... >> >> >> >> Curtis >> > >> >> >> -- >> bkw >> >
