Now it makes sense why there's 20 on here: 7 Wire Cable PC Model-T DCD 1 NC RX 2 ← 2 TX TX 3 → 3 RX DTR 4 → 6 DSR GND 5 ↔ 7 GND DSR 6 ← 20 DTR RTS 7 → 5 CTS CTS 8 ← 4 RTS RI 9 NC
So I only use 7 of the 8 wires..... I guess I can just punch down the wires onto a DB25 adapter and see what happens? Curtis On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 12:43 PM AvantGuard Systems < [email protected]> wrote: > Now I'm re-reading the Club100 instructions and it looks like I have to > use the RS232 jack. That really changes things..... > The instructions say the best solution is to solder the wires to the DB25 > connector. Where? The pin out makes no sense to me. > > > Curtis > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM AvantGuard Systems < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, so it seems like the easiest thing for me to try for now is using an >> Android device, which I have plenty of. I've installed the mcomm program >> from Club100's website. Now I just have to figure out the proper pin out >> for a DB9 cable. Let me explain. >> I have a Cisco DB9 to RJ45 cord. >> The pin out is explained here: >> https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/serial/cisco-console-rj45-to-db9-pin/ >> When I look at the instructions on Club100 it looks like only pins 2-8 >> are used. >> >> HOWEVER! I'm no electrician, but I tested each pin for the DB9 to RJ45 >> and here's how they came out. First item is the DB9 pin and the second the >> RJ45 from the top (the side without the clip). >> >> 1 > 2 >> 2 nowhere >> 3 > 6 >> 4 > 7 >> 5 > 4 >> 6 > 2 >> 7 > 8 >> 8 > 1 >> 9 nowhere >> >> Looking at various Cisco charts however, it seems to me that I'm reading >> things completely wrong. That the RJ45 should be read not from left to >> right, but the other way. And this lines up more with various Cisco docs. >> So that get us: >> >> 1 > 7 >> 2 nowhere >> 3 > 3 >> 4 > 2 >> 5 > 5 >> 6 > 7 >> 7 > 1 >> 8 > 8 >> 9 nowhere >> >> My question is what is the right pin out as I could rewire however I want >> easily. Cut off the old jack and put in a new one. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Curtis >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:58 PM Brian K. White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2/23/21 6:38 PM, AvantGuard Systems wrote: >>> > Now, I'm wondering whether there's a way to transfer files from my >>> > computer to the M100..... >>> >>> Many ways. >>> >>> How to decide which of the many ways depends on what your priorities >>> are, convenience or cost, and on what you have available for a modern >>> machine. >>> >>> For instance one super convenient option is there is an Android app that >>> is both a TPDD server and TPDD client installer/bootstrapper. You don't >>> have to buy anything but the serial cable and usb adapter, but you >>> always need that anyway. But that's only super convenient if you happen >>> to have an Android phone or tablet. And I suppose only if moving files >>> to a phone instead of your real computer is good enough, maybe via >>> google drive. >>> >>> The generally most convenient and robust way is a serial cable and a >>> TPDD emulator and a REX#. >>> >>> Whatever other software or hardware you use, you pretty much always need >>> this cable: >>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Serial_Cable >>> >>> Then there are several different things you can do that are all >>> different levels of convenient, reliable, binary-safe, expensive, >>> requiring special cables or parts or software, etc. >>> >>> You can use just the plain built-in telcom app and teraterm-pro or putty >>> or really any serial comm program on the modern machine to transfer >>> plain text. This gets you text documents and *some* basic programs but >>> not all, maybe not all database/spreadsheet files either, definitely no >>> tokenized basic and no binary executables. >>> The advantage here is you don't have to buy anything but the serial >>> cable and usb-serial adapter, and don't have to somehow get software >>> installed onto the 100 the first time before you can start using it. But >>> it's limited and error-prone and inconvenient. >>> >>> Better is to use a tpdd server on the modern machine and tpdd client on >>> the 100. >>> >>> But that requires a few more pieces, for one thing, you need to get a >>> tpdd client onto the 100 somehow the first time. It's a chicken and egg >>> problem. If you already had an easy way to transfer files to transfer >>> the tpdd client program, then what do you need the tpdd client program >>> for? If you need the tpdd client program to transfer files, then how do >>> you transfer the tpdd client program itself before it's installed? >>> >>> In the old days the answer was you bought the client program in the form >>> of a ROM chip you plugged in to the option rom socket, or you loaded it >>> from cassette tape. >>> >>> Today neither of those is all that practical. They are both still >>> possible. There is an mp3 of the cassette file for TS-DOS (at least for >>> model 100/102, not all the others). So IF you had the cassette cable you >>> could do that. You could build yourself a TS-DOS option rom. There are >>> plans and links to parts to make a totally neat little module, but it's >>> kind of ridiculous amount of parts and labor and tools needed for what >>> you get in the end. (I can say that since it's mine) >>> http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom >>> >>> The MOST convenient way to get a tpdd client onto the 100 is to buy a >>> REX# and just pop it in. That gets you TS-DOS in ROM, as well as a whole >>> option rom library and memory backup device on-board. And that allows >>> you to use any tpdd server on the modern machine. The 3 main ones right >>> now are mComm, LaddieAlpha, and dlplus. >>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REXsharp >>> >>> If you don't have or don't want to buy a REX# (or build your own REX >>> classic or Teeprom), the next-most convenient is to use a tpdd server >>> that includes a bootstrapper that can install a tpdd client app onto the >>> 100 whenever you need to, using the same serial connection that you need >>> anyway to use the tpdd client and server. mComm and dlplus include a >>> bootstrapper. >>> >>> And it depends what platform the modern machine is. >>> For Android or Windows, there is mComm. >>> >>> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum >>> >>> For Linux or Mac, there is dlplus. >>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus >>> >>> There is also a python version of mComm which you could run on almost >>> anything, but that requires a little more fiddling. >>> >>> In fact I still haven't covered everything but these are the most >>> practical options today. >>> >>> -- >>> bkw >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Curtis >>> > >>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:00 PM AvantGuard Systems >>> > <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Steve, >>> > Thanks for the response! I've figured it all out finally. Just >>> trial >>> > and error until something worked. I just posted the Wifi card I'm >>> > using, but again it's: https://is.gd/2QfZNy <https://is.gd/2QfZNy> >>> > And there's info also at: https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem >>> > <https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem> >>> > >>> > Curtis >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Baker < >>> [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Greetings Curtis! >>> > >>> > What type of RS232 modem do you use with the KayPro? Just >>> > curious as I love retro-tech and am always looking to try out >>> > new gear and fun stuff! >>> > >>> > Re: connecting to BBSs, Telnet sites, FTP sites, etc. using the >>> > M100, one trick is to ensure the baud rate is the same on the >>> > Model T and the RS232-WiFi card in the Term program. There’s no >>> > special dial code and it doesn’t know about the address book (I >>> > wrote down my favorite BBSs, Telnet, FTP, etc.). >>> > >>> > Basically just use the “atdt host.domain:port” command and >>> it’ll >>> > connect you through techno-magic. I did recently make a quick >>> > video that does happen to show me connecting to one Telnet site >>> > using my Tandy 102, if this is of any help. Again, your mileage >>> > might vary depending on the gadget you’re using. >>> > >>> > https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4 <https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4> >>> > >>> > Hope this helps, and happy to offer whatever experience and/or >>> > thoughts that I might have to help! >>> > SB >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Greetings from Steve Baker >>> > “Gravity brings me down…” >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On Feb 23, 2021, at 4:25 PM, AvantGuard Systems >>> >> <[email protected] >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Really need to start saving my searches... anyhow, I know I >>> >> somewhere saw information about using a wifi modem on the >>> >> RS232 jack for network access. >>> >> I have a wifi RS232 modem for my KayPro so I thought I'd try >>> >> it on the M100. Any ideas about how to go about sending the >>> >> right dial code (I assume from the address book) to maybe make >>> >> it work? Or am I just going about this all wrong.... >>> >> >>> >> Curtis >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bkw >>> >>
