Harry... Sorry I haven't kept up with this thread better. This may have 
already been mentioned, but Apple has a technote regarding using the 
Xclaim 3D card in a B&W G3 saying that the 10.3.2 update fixes the 
graphics issue you describe. When you installed Panther, did you do the 
updates too, or just the basic install of 10.3.0?

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25629

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On Mar 15, 2004, at 12:04 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:

> I installed the update. It didn't work. I've spent more time on this 
> than
> I care to admit and I can find no solution to my graphics card problem.
> Surely I am not the only person to have bought this card. You would 
> think
> there would be others out there with the same problem. If any of you 
> who
> are more savvy with searching Apple's site for downloads and/or info
> about this issue, I will appreciate your help.
>
> Again, I have an ATI Xclaim 3D pro PCI video card. It works fine in
> 9.2xxx and in Jaguar, but under Panther the card shows 256 colors only
> and the picture is gray, almost posterized.
>
> Apple's web site tells me to go to the ATI web page for driver updates.
> ATI tells me to go to Apple's web site for the updates.
>
> I use the second monitor a lot and sorely miss it in Panther. I am 
> almost
> tempted to revert to jaguar so I can use the monitor. If I were to buy 
> a
> different video card how do I know it would work?
>
> Help! And thanks.
>
> Harry
>
> Tuesday, March 9, 200411:08 PMJerry Yeagerjerry at browseryshop.com
>
>> I did some more digging, the recent release was for the retail Radeon
>> based cards. (IIRC stands for If I Recall Correctly). You might ask
>> Ward if the chip in the XClaim will be affected by this (or on the of
>> the Rage 128 updates.)
>>
>>                      Jerry
>>
>> On Mar 09, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:
>>
>>> I did go to ATI's web site. They do not have drivers for OS X. They 
>>> say
>>> apple has them, but when I search apple's site for the drivers I 
>>> don't
>>> find them.
>>>
>>> What does llRC mean?
>>>
>>> Tuesday, March 9, 20046:23 PMJerry Yeagerjerry at browseryshop.com
>>>
>>>> Have you tried to download the latest drivers from ATI and 
>>>> installing
>>>> them. IIRC, there was a recent video driver update for the cards.
>>>>
>>>>                    Jerry
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 09, 2004, at 6:12 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have 10.3.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other suggestion?
>>>>>
>>>>> And thank-you,.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuesday, March 9, 20042:08 PMHarry
>>>>> Jacobson-Beyerharryjb at bellsouth.net
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a G4 desktop computer. In 2001 I purchased a KDS LCD 
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> an ATI Xclaim 3d video card. I installed the card, hooked the
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> and voila, everything worked fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently (and I don't know if it was before I installed panther or
>>>>>> after,
>>>>>> the KDS monitor quit working and I sent it back to the company for
>>>>>> repair. After I removed it from the computer the computer 
>>>>>> continued
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> act as if I had a second monitor attached (ie I could move windows
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> the main screen onto the second screen-even though it wasn't
>>>>>> there-and
>>>>>> then I couldn't retrieve them because I couldn't find them to lock
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> them with the mouse). I removed the video card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The monitor was returned today. I reinstalled the video card, 
>>>>>> hooked
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> monitor to it and when I booted the picture on the LCD monitor is
>>>>>> gray
>>>>>> and  looks like a solarized or posterized photo-not good for a
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I removed the LCD monitor and hooked it up to a PC and it works
>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hooked the LCD monitor to the main video input on the g4 and it
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> fine. I reseated the video card and hooked the monitor to it
>>>>>> restarted
>>>>>> and it's as I described above. I moved the card to a different PCI
>>>>>> slot
>>>>>> and it didn't affect the monitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THEN I rebooted the computer in 9.2 and the monitor works fine. 
>>>>>> So I
>>>>>> booted the monitor in jaguar and the monitor works fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I booted back into panther and the monitor does not work fine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, I don't remember if I installed panther before or 
>>>>>> after I
>>>>>> removed the video card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line, the monitor works, the video card works but not in
>>>>>> panther.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What gives and how can I correct the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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