On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:19 PM, objectwerks inc wrote:
>> 
>> It is not "appropriate" to trim out addresses, anymore than it is 
>> "inappropriate" to not trim them out. The request is invalid and it's also 
>> denied. It will continue to be denied.
> 
> You are responsible for sending emails that you hit the SEND button for.

I have no problem with the emails I'm sending.


>   Gratuitous and non appropriate use of REPLY ALL is your problem and not the 
> lists problem.

It's your opinion that it's gratuitous and inappropriate. This is your 
convention, not mine. I have agreed to no such binding.

>   Just because you can use REPLY ALL to get around a roadblock set by the 
> list owners to cut down on stupid posts does not mean that you should and 
> have the right to send to everyone that shows up in the REPLY ALL to: and cc: 
> lists.

We can leave list owners out because they have no sanctioned RFC mechanism for 
producing the behavior your describe other than List-Post No, which then makes 
the entire list non-posting. This is entirely in the domain of the client.


> When you hit REPLY ALL that does not mean that every address there needs to 
> be sent to.  It is YOUR responsibility to use the tools appropriately and to 
> trim the TO and CC lists appropriately to what you are trying to do.  

It is your opinion I am obligated to manually alter fields. You are welcome to 
find an IETF RFC that proves you correct. Your request that I manually alter 
fields is denied.


> There is an alternative.  Hit reply, edit the To: to say  
> [email protected] -- I am sure Mail.App will auto fill it in for you 
> as soon as you get enough keys typed.

I will not do this. The alternative is too burdensome.

>> It's a list. I'm on dozens of lists with hundreds of daily emails. I know 
>> how to manage them. Apparently you don't. You're the only person I've had a 
>> list argument with in, I don't know, probably five years, that was unrelated 
>> to the topic of the list.
> 
> And you are using the list WRONG.

In your opinion.

> 
> Here is a post from OMNI GROUP that explains it.
> 
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-dev/2003-November/048915.html

This does every bit as much support the usage of Reply All as it proposes 
desire for conscious replies. It makes no mention of a protocol requiring or 
even suggesting that people trim fields.

By the way, I am noticing Apple Mail, for inexplicable reasons, sometimes 
excludes From: email addresses when there is a Reply-To: address even though I 
always click Reply All. This reply for example does not include  From:         
objectwerks inc <[email protected]>. While when I Reply All on other 
emails, it does. I'm not finding a pattern that explains this.


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