On 11 sep 2010, at 20:56, Michael_google gmail_Gersten <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:17 PM, John Stalberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> gotten irritated, over Apples constantly difficulties to be consistent gui 
>> wise. My idea is that bigger changes to the gui shouldn't be introduced as 
>> some kind of prototype that is tested on one application and later gets 
>> spread and replaces what was targeted to be replaced by it. This makes OS X 
>> a bit messy with more or less a constant porototype stage
> 
> Don't pick on just Apple.

It seems appropriate to focus on Apple/OS X on this list. If I would add a 
comparison to Microsoft software more often, well you would soon be thinking 
why on earth I do even bother to use it when I seem to be so negative about it. 
However, point taken!

> Microsoft seems to introduce changes to
> Office, and then propagate those changes to the rest of the OS. For
> example, they completely altered how menus work, and then replaced the
> whole system's menu operations.
> 
> I'm actually glad that the "ribbon" never got propagated. Seriously,
> if I didn't already know that "ctrl-S" would save, I never wound have
> found it on the ribbon.
> 
I don't use Office, not even the Mac Office nor OOo but it's impossible to 
avoid it in my work were I do everything between teaching computer basics 
(among other things) to generic computer users, to be responsible for the IT 
for small companies. I can without a doubt be considered a long time computer 
nerd and when I have been called in for some trivial task with ribbon Office 
all those years given me experience seem to have given me little to none 
effect. I desperatly have to ask the user needing help, were do I find File 
menu, Edit menu etcetera to accomplish the usual overlook of what ways I can 
take to find a solution. I do understand that I could learn this new ribboned 
interface, but as I said I don't use the program suit myself. LaTeX feels 
intuitive after such an experience and the Windows Server with all of it's 
guided administration tasks and conservative looks feels comfy. Yes even the 
now gone 'Start' in the Start menu in client Windows suddenly earns some of my 
respect!

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