Chris, Just in case you have trouble, when I did this I had better luck putting one finger on the trackpad and dragging downward with another finger. Not sure why, but that worked better for me. Take care, Donna > On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks. > > I’ll give that a shot. > > Chris. > >> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> I’ll paste in some instructions I posted back in Mavericks time. Still work >> as far as I’m aware. >> >>> 1. Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. >>> 2. Check to change to Classic View. >>> 3. Close Mail Prefs. >>> 4. Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. >>> 5. Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. >>> 6. Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the >>> physical Trackpad. >>> >>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right >>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the >>> window. >>> >>> 7. Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. >>> 8. Close the Mail Prefs. >>> >>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating >>> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and >>> after the Messages Column Group. >>> >>> If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the >>> Preview Pane in Classic view. Once you re-open Mail, you can change back >>> to the Modern View and the change should stick. At least it has for me >>> numerous times. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:58, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> And here's another! billion dollar question: how do you shut off! the >> preview payne in Yosemite, and while at it, also how do you do it in >> Mavericks 10.9.5? >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate >> >> >> Hi, >> >> No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, >> is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the VO-j action >> automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it should still work >> for you. Should is my favourite word in computer-land though. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:52, Deb Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's >> still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using >> quick nav for this to work? >> >> >> On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts >>> not loading messages as fast as they should. I have three main accounts >>> along with a few seldom used others. Of the three main accounts, one is an >>> iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account. In >>> testing, if I press return on a message in either of the iMap accounts, >>> sometimes the message does not load up as quick as it used to. Closing it >>> then pressing return a second time brings it up faster and the arrow line by >>> line then works. In my one POP account, I do the same and the message is >>> readable line by line right away first time. As mentioned by a few previous >>> posters, interacting with the message area will consequently allow for the >>> arrow line by line navigation. I really hadn't noticed this problem myself >>> as I normally just press return on the message then let VO read it to me and >>> close it when I've heard enough or just move on to the next one in the >>> conversation. So, both the VO-j method and mine would not have noticed this >>> issue specifically, even though it does exist. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:10, Deb Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for >>> me it hasn't. >>> >>> On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine. >>>> /A >>>>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. >>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just >>>>>> arrow. >>>>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move >>>>>> through >>>>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the >>>>>> second >>>>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter >>>>>> what. >>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hui, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also notest this. I just interact and all is well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail >>>>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by >>>>>>>> lines. >>>>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I >>>>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update >>>>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just >>>>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Deb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups 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