Glad it was helpful, Chris. Good luck! Donna > On Apr 14, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Probably because the mouse on those trackpads is so sensitive. And, my hands > do tend to shake and trimmer due to a disorder I have. It's not bad, but > it's just enough with things like this, it can pose an issue, so actually, > believe it or not, your suggestion is excellent. I'll definitely take it > into account, should the need rise. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Goodin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate > > > Chris, > > Just in case you have trouble, when I did this I had better luck putting one > finger on the trackpad and dragging downward with another finger. Not sure > why, but that worked better for me. > Take care, > Donna >> On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks. >> >> I’ll give that a shot. >> >> Chris. >> >>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> I’ll paste in some instructions I posted back in Mavericks time. Still >>> work as far as I’m aware. >>> >>>> 1. Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. >>>> 2. Check to change to Classic View. >>>> 3. Close Mail Prefs. >>>> 4. Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. >>>> 5. Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. >>>> 6. Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the >>>> physical Trackpad. >>>> >>>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right >>>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the >>>> window. >>>> >>>> 7. Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. >>>> 8. Close the Mail Prefs. >>>> >>>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by >>>> navigating around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter >>>> before and after the Messages Column Group. >>>> >>>> If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the >>>> Preview Pane in Classic view. Once you re-open Mail, you can change back >>>> to the Modern View and the change should stick. At least it has for me >>>> numerous times. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:58, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> And here's another! billion dollar question: how do you shut off! the >>> preview payne in Yosemite, and while at it, also how do you do it in >>> Mavericks 10.9.5? >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of >>> course, is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the >>> VO-j action automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it >>> should still work for you. Should is my favourite word in computer-land >>> though. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:52, Deb Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's >>> still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using >>> quick nav for this to work? >>> >>> >>> On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts >>>> not loading messages as fast as they should. I have three main accounts >>>> along with a few seldom used others. Of the three main accounts, one is an >>>> iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account. In >>>> testing, if I press return on a message in either of the iMap accounts, >>>> sometimes the message does not load up as quick as it used to. Closing it >>>> then pressing return a second time brings it up faster and the arrow line >>>> by >>>> line then works. In my one POP account, I do the same and the message is >>>> readable line by line right away first time. As mentioned by a few >>>> previous >>>> posters, interacting with the message area will consequently allow for the >>>> arrow line by line navigation. I really hadn't noticed this problem myself >>>> as I normally just press return on the message then let VO read it to me >>>> and >>>> close it when I've heard enough or just move on to the next one in the >>>> conversation. So, both the VO-j method and mine would not have noticed >>>> this >>>> issue specifically, even though it does exist. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:10, Deb Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for >>>> me it hasn't. >>>> >>>> On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine. >>>>> /A >>>>>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. >>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just >>>>>>> arrow. >>>>>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the >>>>>>> second >>>>>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter >>>>>>> what. >>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer >>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hui, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also notest this. I just interact and all is well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail >>>>>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by >>>>>>>>> lines. >>>>>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I >>>>>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update >>>>>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just >>>>>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Deb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the 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