Viviana, you’re wrong. I actually live in a community that doesn’t have 24
hour policing.
I moved there intentionally, that was a huge selling point. There are massive
swaths of country that don’t have policing available. Whether it’s the woods
like where I live or the Swamps in the south or mountains on the way west there
are huge blocks of people living with very little policing.
The safest period in US history was the western expansion during the
1800S. The government actually supported and paid authors to come up with
these wild west novels as propaganda to make people want to be controlled by
police goons instead of living free like they had been successfully. It’s one
of the periods with the least crime in our history and the greatest level of
growth.
This however is better meant for another list but I couldn’t let a comment like
that slide with out countering.
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Vivianna <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Great! i will be joining today!
> just because this list used to be good in the past doesn’t mean we have to
> stay and hope, maybe someday, things get better.
> there are so many other relevent other lists around where i won’t have to
> delete so many posts every day.
> and, yes, we do need police. anarchy will never fly, neither here or in the
> USA. or anywhere else for that matter. folks can not and will not ever
> police themselves.
>
> Vivianna
>
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
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>> Hey Donna,
>> I'm going for exactly that, efficiency. I've had over 50 subscription
>> requests which I think says a lot to what people want.
>>
>> I've ran this idea by Chris. He's not really even willing to fully
>> moderate Chris gilland, so I don't think this is going to work. I
>> think he's just worried about stepping on Cara's toes should she
>> decide to return. As I've said, my idea isn't to rule with an iron
>> fist. You all can do whatever you like as long as you are nice to
>> people. I think that's a good enough guideline. That would elimenate
>> so much of the arguing I have to dig through here to find information.
>> The gems shouldn't be hidden under a pile of trash on any list like this.
>> On 8/26/2015 8:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> Scott, as you know I'm basically in the same camp as you. When I
>>> modded the AIphone list, I was frequently criticized for being too
>>> lax. and i completely agree about the delete key and it's
>>> incredible value. :) However, unless you decide just not to read
>>> certain people's emails, you do end up slogging through a lot of
>>> unnecessary junk, which few of us have time to do. So, we all know
>>> who the problematic posters are. If someone were to say to them,
>>> either shape up or ship out, it would make the list much more
>>> efficient, which I think would be a good thing. Cheers, Donna
>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> See this is where I differ although I think you make very valid
>>>> points and as a side note I like your posts and automatically
>>>> gave you more weight when I saw you digitally signing messages
>>>> and using strong cryptography.:)
>>>>
>>>> I would say that who cares if someone curses. I in general think
>>>> people are way way to thin skinned, especially on mailing lists.
>>>> My thinking is that there’s a delete key for a reason and further
>>>> more if that’s to much effort do to the volume there are built in
>>>> rules that can automatically send whom ever you’re annoyed with
>>>> to ground and remove your personal need to see them where as
>>>> others may wish to filter differently. For some reason though
>>>> some people need this filtering to be done for them but in the
>>>> end I always come down on the side of lack of moderation. As I
>>>> said, that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla, different
>>>> choices for different folks.
>>>>
>>>> Keep doing what you’re doing though, I know there are multiple
>>>> ways to solve the same problem.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>> Hello Scott, There's a vast difference in overly moderating and
>>> moderating of those who make the community unpleasant for others.
>>> For example, should someone receive an email cursing at them (which
>>> happens here pretty frequently), the problem gets solved with a
>>> moderation. Should it continue, said individual is removed from the
>>> community.
>>>
>>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just
>>> that it's possible with an active list owner to create a community
>>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide
>>> help, etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I
>>> myself am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to
>>> mostly elimenate all the side bickering? On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM,
>>> Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like
>>>>>>> saying policing = a good community and I’d dare say the
>>>>>>> folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would disagree with
>>>>>>> that assertion.;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the
>>>>>>> tightening of the rules going to necessarily translate in
>>>>>>> to better content. It might but it’s hard to get enough
>>>>>>> people to switch and keep the same value when there’s
>>>>>>> already a critical mass of people here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts
>>>>>>> used to say before he passed away “that’s why they make
>>>>>>> chocolate and vanilla” something for the different
>>>>>>> viewpoints.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is
>>>>>>> being done to stop it. As a result of the
>>>>>>> spam/cursing/general throwing of fits, I created a new list
>>>>>>> where rules can be enforced and we can have a good
>>>>>>> community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via
>>>>>>> MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on
>>>>>>>>>> 26/08/2015 at 05:29:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new
>>>>>>>>>> list? What is going to happen to this one? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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