I am aware of who the individual who seems to like to get peoples feelings stirred up is, and since I know where my delete key is, I have no problem with this individual. This individual comes and goes, and unless excluded, he’ll be back! However, my delete key is a constant, not a variable, although, I read some of his messages because I kind of enjoy the absurd! This is, overall, an extremely helpful list, and the majority of its contributors are not only helpful, but respectful. All of us do not share the same level of knowledge, but one thing we all have in common, all of us were once beginners! > On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: > > well, if this party has threatened or used hate speech, you report them to > the authorities. One does not well build a new house instead. > ..not that you were asking me of course smiles. > Why not report their conduct to the Internet provider? > > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let’s >> say the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is >> detrimental. It’s been months like this and in recent dates taking a >> culminating effect of driving the discussion towards what to do with him, on >> and off list. Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches >> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does need to >> be done? >> >> >>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone >>> else instead of deal with it themselves. >>> >>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then don’t. Nobody >>> forces you to read anything. >>> >>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because >>> someone said something they don’t like or it offends some arbitrary >>> religious value or another. >>> Oh I don’t like what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view >>> is the right view so all others be damned. >>> >>> wow >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to >>>> have new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I >>>> know that is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I >>>> also don't agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send >>>> email to a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their >>>> homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege. Nor should >>>> several hundred people be expected to write filtersbecause of one or two >>>> outliers who make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be >>>> moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right to expect that >>>> the rules will be followed and that those who do not follow them >>>> consistently will be taken off the list. If you like unmoderated lists, >>>> start one, or, if you want to check one out, go check out the eyes >>>> freelist. The last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months >>>> ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or >>>> heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few >>>> people simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to >>>> take action, or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm joining >>>> my voice with the chorus of those who say that in the best of all worlds, >>>> this list would remain but would have an active moderator who did his or >>>> her job. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Hello Scott, >>>>> There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those >>>>> who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should >>>>> someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty >>>>> frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it >>>>> continue, said individual is removed from the community. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that >>>>> it's possible with an active list owner to create a community >>>>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help, >>>>> etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself >>>>> am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly >>>>> elimenate all the side bickering? >>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like saying >>>>>> policing = a good community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson >>>>>> or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;) >>>>>> >>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the tightening of >>>>>> the rules going to necessarily translate in to better content. It >>>>>> might but it’s hard to get enough people to switch and keep the >>>>>> same value when there’s already a critical mass of people here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts used to >>>>>> say before he passed away “that’s why they make chocolate and >>>>>> vanilla” something for the different viewpoints. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being >>>>>> done to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing >>>>>> of fits, I created a new list where rules can be enforced and we >>>>>> can have a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele >>>>>> Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on >>>>>>>>> 26/08/2015 at 05:29: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new list? What >>>>>>>>> is going to happen to this one? Thanks. Gabriel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this >>>>>>> group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this >>>>>>> group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this >>>>>>> group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. 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