well, if this party has threatened or used hate speech, you report them to the authorities. One does not well build a new house instead.
..not that you were asking me of course smiles.
Why not report their conduct to the Internet provider?


On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote:

Scott,

What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home analogy, or let???s 
say the social club analogy. A majority is agreeing that this guy is 
detrimental. It???s been months like this and in recent dates taking a 
culminating effect of driving the discussion towards what to do with him, on 
and off list. Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches 
etc. Don???t you think its time to consider that maybe something does need to 
be done?


On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote:

I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on to someone else 
instead of deal with it themselves.

If you don???t want to invite someone in to your home then don???t.  Nobody 
forces you to read anything.

These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV because someone 
said something they don???t like or it offends some arbitrary religious value 
or another.
        Oh I don???t like what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my 
view is the right view so all others be damned.

wow



On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing would be to have 
new moderators on this list, rather than fragmenting the community. I know that 
is not a new idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't agree 
with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send email to a list of 
several hundred people, you are coming into their homes. And you did not have a 
right to abuse that privilege. Nor should several hundred people be expected to 
write filtersbecause of one or two outliers who make itunpleasant  for 
everybody. If a list is said to be moderated, people who signed up for that 
list have a right to expect that the rules will be followed and that those who 
do not follow them consistently will be taken off the list. If you like 
unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you want to check one out, go check out 
the eyes freelist. The last time I was on there, which was admittedly many 
months ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or 
heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few people 
simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to take action, 
or a new moderator needs to be found. So, I guess I'm joining my voice with the 
chorus of those who say that in the best of all worlds, this list would remain 
but would have an active moderator who did his or her job.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

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Hello Scott,
There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those
who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should
someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty
frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it
continue, said individual is removed from the community.

I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that
it's possible with an active list owner to create a community
conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help,
etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself
am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly
elimenate all the side bickering?
On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I???m not sure moderation = good community.  That???s like saying
policing = a good community and I???d dare say the folks of Ferguson
or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;)

You bring up a good point I???m just wondering is the tightening of
the rules going to necessarily translate in to better content.  It
might but it???s hard to get enough people to switch and keep the
same value when there???s already a critical mass of people here.

Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts used to
say before he passed away ???that???s why they make chocolate and
vanilla???  something for the different viewpoints.


On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list.

My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being
done to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing
of fits, I created a new list where rules can be enforced and we
can have a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele
Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on
26/08/2015 at 05:29:

Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new list? What
is going to happen to this one? Thanks. Gabriel.




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