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It is because you live in the other half of the planet and everything is backwords there like the way water drains down the drain…LOL From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 07:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please Hey Tim, yes fair enough. I should be pulled up on that phraseology. I think the majority of screen readers use the "to the right of cursor" method, which has made it something of a convention. But then, the majority of screen readers are for Windows, and there's no reason at all why the Mac shouldn't have its own conventions, as indeed it does, such as interacting, and other behaviours. So yes, standard wasn't the correct word in this case. I'm changing back and forth between OS X and Windows on my virtual machine many times a day, so for me I can save what little sanity I have left by ensuring that when it comes to cursor movement, both environments work the same. Good to have the option for sure. Like you, I remember the Apple 2E and working with the cursor the Apple way. All the best. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 10/09/2015, at 1:35 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hi, Personal preference is the key thing here. Although, I will disagree with the comment about "standard screen reader practice". Where? Why? The default behaviour on the Mac with VO of reading text that it passes over is standard practice on the Mac and has been since scree readers began on Apple devices back in the 80's. Just because one is used to another method does not make it "standard". From a visual prospective on a Mac, the cursor is set just after the letter that is entered, it is a vertical cursor and its behaviour corresponds with that style of cursor. Sorry, just had to chime in here. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Sep 8, 2015, at 23:28, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I completely agree with you. One of the first things I do on a new Mac is change VoiceOver so text to the right of the cursor is spoken. I would love to see such an option offered in iOS as well. Use what works for you. I switch it because speaking what's to the right of the cursor is standard screen reader practice. It's what I'm used to and I see no advantage in it being different. To me, this is absolutely a matter of personal preference. There's no right or wrong way and props to Apple for offering the choice. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> On 9/09/2015, at 11:52 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Please, explain why you don't recommend any change with the delete key. I'm new hear, and I strongly value knowledge and experience, and I'm willing to learn. http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/ Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:08 PM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please The delete key deletes to the left of the cursor, and function-delete deletes to the right. The only difference is in how VoiceOver handles the cursor; it does so in a more accurate way, as I explained in my last message. I don't recommend it, but you can disable this if you really want to. Open the VoiceOver Utility, go to the Verbosity category, choose the Text tab, and set the cursor behavior to "text to the right of the cursor" instead of "text the cursor passes". On Sep 8, 2015, at 19:01, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Does it mean that I can't change how the delete key works? My main activity is writing and I find this extremely inconvenient. http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/ Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal -----Original Message----- From: Jason White Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:41 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: 2. The delete key is a nightmare. When I want to erase some character, I delete everything less what I want to delete. What should I change so when I press the delete key I delete the character where the cursor is standing? fn-delete (that is, press the delete key with the fn key held). This deletes the character to the right of the cursor. If you select text by using the shift key in combination with cursor movement keys, then start typing, the selected text is replaced by whatever you type - that is, the selected text is deleted before the text that you enter is inserted. I'm sure this is all explained in OS X tutorials that you can read for further details. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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