Whoa, George B pulling out the Coriolis effect for the obscure joke of the day. > On Sep 9, 2015, at 11:01 AM, george b <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jonathan > > It is because you live in the other half of the planet and everything is > backwords there like the way water drains down the drain…LOL > > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 07:20 > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please > > Hey Tim, yes fair enough. I should be pulled up on that phraseology. I think > the majority of screen readers use the "to the right of cursor" method, which > has made it something of a convention. But then, the majority of screen > readers are for Windows, and there's no reason at all why the Mac shouldn't > have its own conventions, as indeed it does, such as interacting, and other > behaviours. > So yes, standard wasn't the correct word in this case. > I'm changing back and forth between OS X and Windows on my virtual machine > many times a day, so for me I can save what little sanity I have left by > ensuring that when it comes to cursor movement, both environments work the > same. > Good to have the option for sure. Like you, I remember the Apple 2E and > working with the cursor the Apple way. > All the best. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> > >> On 10/09/2015, at 1:35 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Personal preference is the key thing here. Although, I will disagree with >> the comment about "standard screen reader practice". Where? Why? The >> default behaviour on the Mac with VO of reading text that it passes over is >> standard practice on the Mac and has been since scree readers began on Apple >> devices back in the 80's. Just because one is used to another method does >> not make it "standard". From a visual prospective on a Mac, the cursor is >> set just after the letter that is entered, it is a vertical cursor and its >> behaviour corresponds with that style of cursor. >> >> Sorry, just had to chime in here. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Sep 8, 2015, at 23:28, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I completely agree with you. One of the first things I do on a new Mac is >> change VoiceOver so text to the right of the cursor is spoken. I would love >> to see such an option offered in iOS as well. >> Use what works for you. I switch it because speaking what's to the right of >> the cursor is standard screen reader practice. It's what I'm used to and I >> see no advantage in it being different. >> To me, this is absolutely a matter of personal preference. There's no right >> or wrong way and props to Apple for offering the choice. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> >>> On 9/09/2015, at 11:52 AM, [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Please, explain why you don't recommend any change with the delete key. I'm >>> new hear, and I strongly value knowledge and experience, and I'm willing to >>> learn. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/ <http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/> >>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:08 PM >>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>> Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please >>> >>> The delete key deletes to the left of the cursor, and function-delete >>> deletes to the right. The only difference is in how VoiceOver handles the >>> cursor; it does so in a more accurate way, as I explained in my last >>> message. I don't recommend it, but you can disable this if you really want >>> to. Open the VoiceOver Utility, go to the Verbosity category, choose the >>> Text tab, and set the cursor behavior to "text to the right of the cursor" >>> instead of "text the cursor passes". >>> >>>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 19:01, [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Does it mean that I can't change how the delete key works? My main >>>> activity is writing and I find this extremely inconvenient. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/ <http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/> >>>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jason White >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:41 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Problem with text editor help please >>>> >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2. The delete key is a nightmare. When I want to erase some character, I >>>>> delete everything less what I want to delete. What should I change so >>>>> when I >>>>> press the delete key I delete the character where the cursor is standing? >>>> >>>> fn-delete (that is, press the delete key with the fn key held). This >>>> deletes >>>> the character to the right of the cursor. >>>> >>>> If you select text by using the shift key in combination with cursor >>>> movement >>>> keys, then start typing, the selected text is replaced by whatever you >>>> type - >>>> that is, the selected text is deleted before the text that you enter is >>>> inserted. >>>> >>>> I'm sure this is all explained in OS X tutorials that you can read for >>>> further >>>> details. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> 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