Hello All, As I sit here in the lobby of a hotel and reflect on the vendors I had a chance to visit with, I'm disheartened to know That the braille displays cost are out of my league. The Bum Vario 20 Cell at $2400 and the Smart Beetle at $1300. I gave up quickly after getting my MacBook Air 2 years ago in using my braille display with it. Fortunately, I Windows installed in BootCamp to use the AT software that is not compatible with VO. You are correct and to dream if Apple would add driver support for most used braille embossers. However, Duxbury has been trying for a few years to develope a Mac version. The problem is VO and trying to take a PC product and create an Apple one. I'm not happy either, as Apple has dropped the ball on this one for many years. I'm in your camp Scott, as I'm not going to update so quickly to El Capitan. It will take a huge village to see change at Apple in regards to braille. Thanks for listening.
Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi! > If the braille support was like in the screenreader cobra which i’ve tested. > Then i could stop using windows. > Also if we could get drivers for the most used brailleprinters that would be > a great step forward. > /A >> 2 okt. 2015 kl. 16:52 skrev Mary Otten <[email protected]>: >> >> Well, obviously none of us knows the reason why braille especially on the >> Mac is not very good. I actually don't really think the braille on the >> screen of a device is going to be all that wonderful or practical. The >> problem isn't the display. It is the support for braille. I wish Apple >> could hire that guy Marcos who apparently was very instrumental in making >> the jaws braille support as good as it is. They just need somebody who >> really gets it. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:44 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I’m not sure about that either because I know they do hire good quality >>> people even for accessibility efforts so I’m not sure it’s that simple. I >>> heard about the patent for the reactive metal but I can’t imagine that >>> being practical unless it has some benefit for the sited as well. >>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> For whatever the reason, I simply don't think Apple has higher the >>>> expertise they need to get braille right. I think this notion of them >>>> doing something special with braille on the screen is nonsense. If I'm >>>> wrong and proven wrong, so be it. But I really do believe the problem is >>>> they don't know how to get it right, and they haven't found the person who >>>> can help them do it. That seem sad, given their money, but there you go. >>>> . >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I sort of think Apple has something big planned though. I've read that >>>>> they have their own patent for sort of elastic and shapable metal, so >>>>> that the metal could form dots and such. I don't know if they'll do that, >>>>> or just keep supporting braille displays, but the lack of new fixes in >>>>> braille leads me to think that they'll do a tactile display for the >>>>> iPhone, and the braille display things will just get in the way. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, I meant that tongue and cheek, I am in total agreement with you. >>>>>> Apple’s braille support needs a lot of work and it’s inexcusable how bad >>>>>> it is now. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> Oh dear. >>>>>>> Soon i will give up on this as they do not seem to prioritize braille >>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>> If apple was a german or European company there’s no doubt that the >>>>>>> braille support will be better. >>>>>>> It took us forever to get good braille support for Jaws. >>>>>>> Also for window eyes but its there. >>>>>>> Nvda has support for braille displays but braille support in the sense >>>>>>> of navigating seems not to be able yet. >>>>>>> Dolphin has good support and orca for linux. >>>>>>> Still mac is not very well supported in braille. >>>>>>> Its a shame and i will really let them know that. >>>>>>> Sorry for my offensive attack here but i am so tired of this. >>>>>>> THey just get back to you saying thanks for your report we will pass >>>>>>> this on to blablabla. >>>>>>> I am pissed off but i hope things will be better. >>>>>>> Still optemistic though. >>>>>>> /A >>>>>>>> 1 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev William Windels >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> I was reading the bug and feature report of Kris , thx for that. >>>>>>>> As announced in that blog, there was not much braille testing with >>>>>>>> 10.11 while this is for me and others important. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some first remarks: >>>>>>>> 1. It happens often that I have braille on the display but I can’t >>>>>>>> move around. The trick seems to be that I have to switch to another >>>>>>>> program and then I should come back. A kind of screen refreshing is >>>>>>>> needed here perhaps? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. I turn vo-cursor on the braille display off because dots 7 and 8 >>>>>>>> are used for capitals and some computer signs. >>>>>>>> When this is turned off, I can’t see on the display which application >>>>>>>> has the focus while switching from app to app with command+tab. (Yes, >>>>>>>> I can hear it but sometimes I don’t use sound if I am in a course. >>>>>>>> I suggested accessibility to put the selected program on the most left >>>>>>>> position on the display or, like in windows with jaws, only the >>>>>>>> selected program should appear on the display while switching from one >>>>>>>> program to another. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Not all controls like radiobuttons , checkboxes, comboboxes, >>>>>>>> edit-fields , are presented with symbols on the display. Mostly, they >>>>>>>> are fully written in dutch “keuzerondje=radiobutton, >>>>>>>> aankruisvakje=checkbox, keuzelijst=combobox … >>>>>>>> This should be represented with symbols like { }/{x} [ ] [x] ( )/(x) … >>>>>>>> I subpose that the controls like above, are presented with this kind >>>>>>>> of symbols when the interface-language is set on English. >>>>>>>> This is een old question I think but still not changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any comments or reports to apple accessibility are very welcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> William Windels >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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