You know what’s interesting, I did find the touch screen very intuitive but let 
me qualify that.  I was using touch screens before the apple products.  I was 
one of several on this list who go back to the Mobile speak days on Pocket PC 
devices.  While it seems hokey today at that time that was highly life changing 
stuff.  Having an accessible phone totally changed my professional life for 
example being able to text with my coworkers and receive alerts from automated 
devices and do more than here a random meaningless alert with no idea what was 
being sent to me.
        In comparison to mobile speak the whole apple interface seemed 
revolutionary and oddly easy to use because you actually worked with the screen 
instead of tapped in the different corners in combination like a game.  You 
also got visual information like screen placement and layout that was never 
available before.  So my experience probably differs from yours only because I 
came from a really proprietary environment from code factory to a more 
mainstream approach.  Or at least different, maybe mainstream isn’t the best 
way to express it.


> On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What is streamline and what is intuitive? The first time you used a touch 
> device, I daresay, you did not find it intuitive. I know I didn't. Now you 
> and I are used to using the Mail app, for instance, in a certain way. What if 
> it could be pointed out to you, as David did in his post, how to efficiently 
> use the Mail app in a different way? Why is that less intuitive than what you 
> are used to? It is change. It is not necessarily less intuitive. We're iPhone 
> Apple is in not coming out with the documentation to let us know about this 
> stuff when they release the final OS. Fiddling around is for beta testers. 
> When you release a final product which is supposed to be accessible, you need 
> to dot the eyes and cross the tease, and let us know how it is different in 
> terms of our particular accessibility needs. That goes with the territory of 
> universal design. I know reading is out of fashion out with specially with 
> the younger generation. But a little bit of documentation goes a long way.
>  A picture is not necessarily worth a few words, especially when you're 
> dealing with someone who can't see the freaking picture.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com 
> <mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote:
> 
>> It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined 
>> functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy system, 
>> namely OS.
>> If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS.  The iOS 
>> represents a gateway experience that the public has readily adopted.  Among 
>> the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
>> If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going to 
>> be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative.  This mail 
>> issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve, to make 
>> simpler, to add features.
>> My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion.  No release 
>> notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful or 
>> easily usable.
>> It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on that 
>> clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using the iOs.  It 
>> is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place to the more 
>> modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the other way round.
>> Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of improvements.  
>> There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at rehab, 
>> insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our own good.
>> I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or risk losing 
>> something that could and did change the world for us.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks 
>>> much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail.
>>> 
>>> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the 
>>> same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread to 
>>> activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, 
>>> single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. 
>>> Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. 
>>> Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all 
>>> messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between 
>>> threads, threads and individual messages which do not belong to threads, 
>>> and individual messages. In other words, the same as single-finger 
>>> horrizontal flick in the message list screen.
>>> 
>>> If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must 
>>> be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical 
>>> flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and all 
>>> the messages in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now that I 
>>> have become used to this new system, I really like it. It took me a few 
>>> hours of frustration to become used to this new system.
>>> 
>>> I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for iOS 
>>> and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen and 
>>> want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no 
>>>> longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I have 
>>>> to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of messages in a 
>>>> thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into the first message 
>>>> in the thread and then have to navigate between messages using the next 
>>>> and pre message buttons. What a screw up this is! is 3 finger flicking 
>>>> from message to message gone in ios10?
>>>> Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too? or are there 
>>>> some settings that need tweaking?
>>>> 
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