Oh cool. I wish you all the best with that project. TC James On 31 Jan 2010, at 15:02, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> I'm actively working on the accessibility portions of GNU PDF for the GNOME > desktop. > On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:47 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> Linux has the same issue if users choose to use the Acrobat Reader and I >> think at the moment, Adobe's product is the only accessible PDF reader. >> Although i think efforts are being made to make more of the open source PDF >> readers accessible. >> >> TC >> james >> On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:56, Jess wrote: >> >>> I find it absolutely shady that Adobe still insists that people download >>> and use their stuff. To bad Windows doesn't run things in a sandbox, like >>> the mac does. That way, users would be aware, oh my gosh, adobe is trying >>> to install something else on my pc, let me just click this button that >>> tells this crap to go away. >>> I can't tell you how many times the adobe updater has popped up >>> demanding that I update to the latest revision of Acrobat pdf reader. IF >>> only there was that glorious little checkbox to not bug me about this >>> anymore! I always have to click remind me later. And what does it do? It >>> takes my request, files it away, and reminds me the next time I open it up >>> and try to read a pdf file. >>> Shady company indeed. >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> And it blows my mind how they've been able to get everyone to conform. I >>>> just don't get it at all. I mean, for most people, they need Acrobat >>>> Reader in order to read PDF documents on a PC. Acrobat Reader has been >>>> treated by Adobe, not so much as a way to make the documents that their >>>> professional tools produce to be read for free, but as a vector to get as >>>> much of their stuff as possible on to your PC. You want to read PDF files? >>>> Well, of course that means that you'd also like us to install plug ins for >>>> everything from ebook management to real-time spell checking of PDFs. >>>> Also, just in case you need it, how about we install stuff to help you >>>> produce PDFs through adobe.com? And since all of this stuff that we just >>>> added, that you didn't ask for, is always having security problems, how >>>> about we install this updater software that will run in the background and >>>> constantly nag you to update all of the bits that you didn't request in >>>> the first place. And, hey, while we're updating, how about we install some >>>> other stuff that you didn't request and don't want. I don't know how IT >>>> departments haven't banned Acrobat Reader as a security risk. It seems >>>> that way to me. >>>> >>>> And, when it comes down to its core function, you know, reading PDF files, >>>> Acrobat Reader is horribly slow at that task. I used to think that PDFs >>>> must be this big bloated document format, but I've realized in the past >>>> few years that PDFs aren't the problem, the problem is Acrobat Reader. >>>> Other PDF reading tools are quite snappy. Its unfortunate for Windows >>>> users that Acrobat Reader is the only reading tool that is both >>>> accessible, and is blessed by Adobe with access to encrypted/secured PDF >>>> files. I know there are converters and other accessible readers, but those >>>> won't work if the file is secured or encrypted. >>>> >>>> Adobe reminds me of Real Networks. Do any of you remember Real Player? >>>> That's how we used to stream audio and video before Flash. Of course, >>>> hardly anyone uses the Real Player formats or player any longer. The big >>>> reason for that is they took the fact that so many people installed their >>>> software as an opportunity to bundle all sorts of crapware with it. I >>>> suppose Adobe is better, since they aren't including Google and Yahoo >>>> toolbars, 50 free MP3s from EMusic.com, Weather Bug, a free trial of >>>> Mcafee Security Suite, and $10 off at Amazon.com on your next purchase of >>>> $30 or more, but they're still including lots of unnecessary and bloated >>>> extras that run slowly and are infested with security problems. >>>> >>>> And people continue to use their stuff why? They seem like a shady >>>> company, far from professional, and their practices say to me that they >>>> don't respect or value their customers. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:05 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout >>>> >>>> For years, Adobe's behavior has been a paradox wrapped in an enigma and >>>> coded with deep encryption. >>>> On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes you are right, some of apple's stuff is also still carbon, but i >>>>> remember somewhere saying adobe didn't want to jump the coco bandwagon. >>>>> Why is what i am looking for. >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> Yuma >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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