And it blows my mind how they've been able to get everyone to conform. I just 
don't get it at all. I mean, for most people, they need Acrobat Reader in order 
to read PDF documents on a PC. Acrobat Reader has been treated by Adobe, not so 
much as a way to make the documents that their professional tools produce to be 
read for free, but as a vector to get as much of their stuff as possible on to 
your PC. You want to read PDF files? Well, of course that means that you'd also 
like us to install plug ins for everything from ebook management to real-time 
spell checking of PDFs. Also, just in case you need it, how about we install 
stuff to help you produce PDFs through adobe.com? And since all of this stuff 
that we just added, that you didn't ask for, is always having security 
problems, how about we install this updater software that will run in the 
background and constantly nag you to update all of the bits that you didn't 
request in the first place. And, hey, while we're updating, how about we 
install some other stuff that you didn't request and don't want. I don't know 
how IT departments haven't banned Acrobat Reader as a security risk. It seems 
that way to me.

And, when it comes down to its core function, you know, reading PDF files, 
Acrobat Reader is horribly slow at that task. I used to think that PDFs must be 
this big bloated document format, but I've realized in the past few years that 
PDFs aren't the problem, the problem is Acrobat Reader. Other PDF reading tools 
are quite snappy. Its unfortunate for Windows users that Acrobat Reader is the 
only reading tool that is both accessible, and is blessed by Adobe with access 
to encrypted/secured PDF files. I know there are converters and other 
accessible readers, but those won't work if the file is secured or encrypted.

Adobe reminds me of Real Networks. Do any of you remember Real Player? That's 
how we used to stream audio and video before Flash. Of course, hardly anyone 
uses the Real Player formats or player any longer. The big reason for that is 
they took the fact that so many people installed their software as an 
opportunity to bundle all sorts of crapware with it. I suppose Adobe is better, 
since they aren't including Google and Yahoo toolbars, 50 free MP3s from 
EMusic.com, Weather Bug, a free trial of Mcafee Security Suite, and $10 off at 
Amazon.com on your next purchase of $30 or more, but they're still including 
lots of unnecessary and bloated extras that run slowly and are infested with 
security problems.

And people continue to use their stuff why? They seem like a shady company, far 
from professional, and their practices say to me that they don't respect or 
value their customers.

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout

For years, Adobe's behavior has been a paradox wrapped in an enigma and coded 
with deep encryption.
On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Yes you are right, some of apple's stuff is also still carbon, but i remember 
> somewhere saying adobe didn't want to jump the coco bandwagon. Why is what i 
> am looking for.
> 
> best
> 
> Yuma
> 
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