Well said, Brian.  I totally agree.  I as well, thought that pDF files were 
these huge, bloted files, but it turned out that Adobe reader on WIndows was 
very slow, and sluggish.  I totally love preview for reading PDF's on the Mac.  
On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> And it blows my mind how they've been able to get everyone to conform. I just 
> don't get it at all. I mean, for most people, they need Acrobat Reader in 
> order to read PDF documents on a PC. Acrobat Reader has been treated by 
> Adobe, not so much as a way to make the documents that their professional 
> tools produce to be read for free, but as a vector to get as much of their 
> stuff as possible on to your PC. You want to read PDF files? Well, of course 
> that means that you'd also like us to install plug ins for everything from 
> ebook management to real-time spell checking of PDFs. Also, just in case you 
> need it, how about we install stuff to help you produce PDFs through 
> adobe.com? And since all of this stuff that we just added, that you didn't 
> ask for, is always having security problems, how about we install this 
> updater software that will run in the background and constantly nag you to 
> update all of the bits that you didn't request in the first place. And, hey, 
> while we're updating, how about we install some other stuff that you didn't 
> request and don't want. I don't know how IT departments haven't banned 
> Acrobat Reader as a security risk. It seems that way to me.
> 
> And, when it comes down to its core function, you know, reading PDF files, 
> Acrobat Reader is horribly slow at that task. I used to think that PDFs must 
> be this big bloated document format, but I've realized in the past few years 
> that PDFs aren't the problem, the problem is Acrobat Reader. Other PDF 
> reading tools are quite snappy. Its unfortunate for Windows users that 
> Acrobat Reader is the only reading tool that is both accessible, and is 
> blessed by Adobe with access to encrypted/secured PDF files. I know there are 
> converters and other accessible readers, but those won't work if the file is 
> secured or encrypted.
> 
> Adobe reminds me of Real Networks. Do any of you remember Real Player? That's 
> how we used to stream audio and video before Flash. Of course, hardly anyone 
> uses the Real Player formats or player any longer. The big reason for that is 
> they took the fact that so many people installed their software as an 
> opportunity to bundle all sorts of crapware with it. I suppose Adobe is 
> better, since they aren't including Google and Yahoo toolbars, 50 free MP3s 
> from EMusic.com, Weather Bug, a free trial of Mcafee Security Suite, and $10 
> off at Amazon.com on your next purchase of $30 or more, but they're still 
> including lots of unnecessary and bloated extras that run slowly and are 
> infested with security problems.
> 
> And people continue to use their stuff why? They seem like a shady company, 
> far from professional, and their practices say to me that they don't respect 
> or value their customers.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:05 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout
> 
> For years, Adobe's behavior has been a paradox wrapped in an enigma and coded 
> with deep encryption.
> On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Yes you are right, some of apple's stuff is also still carbon, but i 
>> remember somewhere saying adobe didn't want to jump the coco bandwagon. Why 
>> is what i am looking for.
>> 
>> best
>> 
>> Yuma
>> 
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