Open Voiceover Utility, go to Help on the menu bar, and click on
Voiceover Commands.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 6/10/2022 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi Tim,
I may want the external keyboard anyway, had planned on one because my
hands are finding holding several keys on a single side of the board a
bit of a challenge.
My hopefully better option though will be using voice control with
voiceover for the combinations I find challenging, if I ever find a full
list of commands.
The mouse idea is brilliant, I take it there is a way to keep said mouse
from impacting things by moving?
Thanks,
Kare
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Regarding hearing things when passwords are being entered. That is
only half correct. There should be a clicking noise that you hear
when entering a password. The sound is somewhat similar to that of a
typewriter.
For the sensitivity of the TrackPad, I suggest plugging in a USB
mouse. You can set it so that the TrackPad is disabled when an
external TrackPad or mouse is connected to the Mac. This is done in
System Preferences, Accessibility, Mouse & TrackPad, then the Options
button. This will save you the headache of that sensitivity and will
negate the need for an external keyboard.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 9, 2022, at 20:54, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]>
wrote:
hi there,
yes, the trackpad, which will be fine if it can be made less
sensitive to slight touch.
i was calling accessibility directly, recalling that others have
complained about them of late.
Speaking personally, the guy who responded to my being in crisis
voiceover wise by questioning why I was using Catalina, is more of
a poor training example than too much work.
The Female main my apple representative locating details about my
nearest Apple store was sensational...even apologizing for the 90
minutes I tried to solve the issue before getting mr. why are you
using Catalina apple accessibility...and did I share he made it clear
he was blind?
And also illustrates why I want in-store staff to work with, not
just a blind person. speaking personally a shared label does not a
shared experience make.
My housemate for whom vision is not an issue absolutely loved working
with voiceover, because the experience was new and fun.
If I can create that in person and in store, I feel a little less
separation may result.
I respect the password information, but that no feedback is
provided while typing is concerning, or at least apple accessibility
says I will not hear the keys while I type my password.
best,
Kare
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Karen,
Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely
fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of
assistance.
Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be
referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly
help there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the
built in one via a setting.
If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security
scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind
organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed,
given
the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound
checkbox
either.
Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as
well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am truly
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch
bar...which I
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening,
with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will
need to
use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for
me to
provide my administrative password, with my not managing to find the
old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into say a folder in a utility,
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using
vo-m and
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a
part of
Catalina too.
Anyway we forge forward.
kare
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
See my responses below in your text.
Later…
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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen
<[email protected]> > > wrote:
Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu
and a > > means of setting sound as you wisely share here, I
get to establish > > a baseline of sound that from an auditory
processing standpoint > > insures I can say hear past the
tinnitus I have in one ear. I > > already know my associate
states the volume is low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system
volume > > allowing me to make changes, when wearing
headphones, or using a > > speaker, or any number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the
sound > > return to the level of the computer once shut down,
meaning it > > would not absolutely recall where I left the f-11
f-12 setting?
TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown
is > normally the level that it will return to upon startup the
next time.
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have
a sound > > baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow
supports your > > wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple
accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the
exact > > Catalina edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple
> > accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they
could > > not find my mac...go figure.
TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share
screen > request through iMessages, or they can send you a link
that you can > connect to through their support system. If by
iMessage, you will need > iMessage set up on your Mac with
either or both of your Apple ID eMail > or mobile phone number
enabled as iMessage usable.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing
in case > > I have another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
• System volume is the level of everything. This is
controlled > > > either by the volume keys, F11 and F12 for
down and up respectively, > > > or you can use the VoiceOver
command of VO-minus or VO-equals. > > > Yes, there is
control for this in the Sound pane, but that would > > >
make your life more complicated and there’s no need to go there.
• the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for > >
> Catalina. This checkbox for the Startup Chime is not
available in > > > Catalina. It was introduced in Big Sur.
• if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll >
> > either need to turn up the system volume, which I’ve
outlined > > > above, use the Terminal command I outlined in an
earlier post, or, > > > in some cases, you can reset the PRAM
and it will be heard.
• to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few
seconds, > > > turn it back on and immediately hold down
cmd+option+r+p. Some > > > finger gymnastics, but doable.
As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was
initially a > > > hardware change, so older Macs that
originally had the Startup Chime > > > should not have lost
it in the first place.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen > > > >
<[email protected]> wrote:
If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to
be a > > > > sound effect, hopefully there will indeed be
a volume for > > > > effects in general as e. T. is
suggesting.
will find out on Thursday.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if
you can > > > > > change the volume. Maybe in terminal,
but I don’t think I can > > > > > even change the volume
level of VO on the logon Screen that you > > > > > get
with File Valt and I don’t think I could last time I had >
> > > > it in recovery mode, though that was a while back
so I could be > > > > > wrong on that one.
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen > > > > > >
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am not interested in doing this in the terminal,
although I > > > > > > imagine Johnathan's information
will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system > >
> > > > volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this
setting, > > > > > > I am not solid enough in voiceover as
of yet to do this, we > > > > > > are still optimizing my
computer for my use.
Karen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via
MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
You can use:
sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has
been > > > > > > > muted. Remember that in
Terminal, when you use the > > > > > > > “sudo”
command, you will be asked to enter your password > >
> > > > > if you’re an Admin of the computer. There
will be no > > > > > > > audio feedback when
entering this password in Terminal like > > > > > >
> you would here in regular situations. If you’re
not in an > > > > > > > Admin account, you will not
be able to use this command.
HTH.
Later…
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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn > > > >
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can
still > > > > > > > > enable it in the terminal
app with a command that examines > > > > > > > >
and changes nvram settings for the computer. I
think it > > > > > > > > might have been Alex Hall
that posted the recipe to turn > > > > > > > >
this on. Or perhaps a man --- c nvram will pull
up the > > > > > > > > sntax. My mac is a couple
100 miles away so can't be very > > > > > > > >
specific.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via > >
> > > > > > > MacVisionaries
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
If your volume is set low, then, yes, the
startup chime > > > > > > > > > will normally be
set low as well. Are you saying that > > > > > >
> > > when you restart, or startup your computer
from scratch, > > > > > > > > > you do not hear
any startup chime?
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen > > >
> > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > >
> > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os >
> > > > > > > > > before big shore, which may be why
the sound is > > > > > > > > > > missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I >
> > > > > > > > > have it, was never a windows user so
all this boot > > > > > > > > > > time makes me crazy
laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim
Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
Hi,
The startup chime was a computer specific
item in > > > > > > > > > > > that model of
Mac. That is, the startup chime > > > > > >
> > > > > should still work normally on that
device without > > > > > > > > > > > any
intervention in System Preferences. I’m > >
> > > > > > > > > willing to be corrected,
but I also believe that the > > > > > > > > >
> > checkbox that they’re speaking of was
not present > > > > > > > > > > > in
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
No, it will not make that sound upon opening
the lid > > > > > > > > > > > as it is a
chime that is sounded as part of the boot > >
> > > > > > > > > process. In older Macs,
before it was removed, it > > > > > > > > > >
> doubled as kind of a system check. If you
heard > > > > > > > > > > > that noise, then
the hardware was OK, and it should > > > > >
> > > > > > proceed to bring up the MacOS,
unless the drive was > > > > > > > > > > > a
problem.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen >
> > > > > > > > > > >
<[email protected] > > > > > > > > >
> > > <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now > > >
> > > > > > > > > running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall the discussion about the apple start up > >
> > > > > > > > > > sound being removed, was told by
apple > > > > > > > > > > > > accessibility that this
is corrected by > > > > > > > > > > > > accessing
system preferences, sound, sound > > > > > > > > > > >
> effects, and making sure there is a checkbox > > > >
> > > > > > > > beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the > >
> > > > > > > > > > start up sound volume is turned
up, something I > > > > > > > > > > > > want to know
just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it > >
> > > > > > > > > > also happen when awakening the
mac, opening the > > > > > > > > > > > > lid?
Thanks,
Karen
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