Thanks Erik, and can Calc export to windows-compatible formats? Even CSV would do fine. On 22 Apr 2010, at 13:33, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi, calc does what you describe. Suppose I have worked some hours for a > client and I am going in to update his information. I push command F, type > the name, press enter, press escape, and I am on that client's name. I can > then arrow over to his hours worked and update it with the new hours. That > will update his hours remaining and calculate my receivables automatically, > because of the way I set up my sheet. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > APlus certified technician and user support consultant > Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > Visit my all new website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > Email: [email protected] > > On 2010-04-21, at 11:43 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hello Olivia, >> >> Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers. >> It frustrates the hell out of me I have to say. For example, when I used >> Excel, and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the >> following: >> 1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog. >> 2. input the ID of the student, >> 3. press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this data. >> I could then navigate across the row and input the required grades. >> >> I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers. What I find is >> that when using the "find" built into numbers, I can search for the text, >> but can't go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades. >> >> I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to >> use the Excel parlance). I find VO gets confused when navigating the layout >> area containing them. >> >> I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on >> this matter, >> >> Cheers >> >> Dónal >> On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote: >> >>> I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am >>> taking this semester. It works very well, and is the best means of >>> information for charts, tables, etc. I, too, constantly struggled with >>> spreadsheets and jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with. >>> Numbers is part of the iWork suite. >>> Olivia >>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote: >>> >>>> I'm with you Nick. >>>> >>>> I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do >>>> believe some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure >>>> Apple will do more to improve accessibility. >>>> >>>> I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why >>>> there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never >>>> understand it. >>>> >>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, >>>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't >>>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really >>>>> don't know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel. >>>>> >>>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" >>>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I >>>>> would say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience >>>>> surrounding the user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels >>>>> like. Even if I only perform the various tasks of writing documents, >>>>> e-mails and managing files, not to mention browsing the web, it always >>>>> feels new. I always enjoy doing it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows >>>>> machine. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Mobile Me: [email protected] >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>>>>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good >>>>>> 1. I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student >>>>>>> exams and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally >>>>>>> abandoned my Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, >>>>>>> I don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the >>>>>>> access provided by VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots >>>>>>> on this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the >>>>>>> browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the >>>>>>> kinds of semantic access to this kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>>>>> full-screen mode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dónal >>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>>> office. And >>>>>>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to >>>>>>>> write >>>>>>>> briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others >>>>>>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel >>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>>> helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious >>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do >>>>>>>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on >>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen >>>>>>>> readers can >>>>>>>> you say that about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. >>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware >>>>>>>> fusion. >>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for >>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>> and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>>> configured >>>>>>>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a >>>>>>>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact >>>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go >>>>>>>> south >>>>>>>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>>> you took >>>>>>>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system >>>>>>>> restore >>>>>>>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a >>>>>>>> perfect example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>>> scanner >>>>>>>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I >>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard >>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>>> windows to >>>>>>>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to >>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what >>>>>>>> happens >>>>>>>> after that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then >>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was >>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the >>>>>>>> burden of >>>>>>>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader >>>>>>>> again, and >>>>>>>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent >>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover >>>>>>>> work, >>>>>>>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it >>>>>>>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never >>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in >>>>>>>> extensions >>>>>>>> and account numbers once the number is connected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy another >>>>>>>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem >>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro >>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>> drawing board. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a >>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This >>>>>>>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not >>>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted to >>>>>>>> "play." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems >>>>>>>> address these issues. 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