<smile> Esther this is exactly the way I have been giving Keynote presentations. Skim has been a lifesaver. This was never more true than at CSUN a few weeks ago when one of my Ph.D. students had a presentation on a laptop that wouldn't work with their portable projector. So we simply exported as PDF, put it on memory stick and used the reliable old Mac. Skim is a super tool. On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:30, Esther wrote:
> Hi Dónal, > > In Keynote there is an Export option under the File Menu that will let you > save your presentations as PDF files, among the other formats. If you use > this mode, you can give your presentations the same way you do for the PDF > files generated from LaTeX, I think. This is especially true if you use the > presentation view mode options (Command-Option-P) of Skim, instead of using > Full Screen mode in Preview for displaying slides. People who use PowerPoint > on the Mac should also be able to export their presentations into a PDF > format that you can run as a presentation the same way. > > Incidentally, there's a Keynote Remote app for the iPhone/iPod Touch that > lets you control presentations. It's not quite ready for prime time with > VoiceOver use, though you can use it in a semi-clunky way by configuring it > in landscape mode, and then using the triple-click home to turn VoiceOver on > and off for each slide to navigate. (Pretty painful, and not really > practical). Also, it only announces the slide number as a number in the > sequence, and labels such as "Current Slide" and "Next Slide". There hasn't > been much work on this app since it was released. I wonder whether there > will be an update for the iPad iWork releases. If you want to read up about > the "not-so-state-of-the-art" with the Keynote Remote app, it's described in > my archived post for Yuma about giving presentations from last Fall: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg11212.html > (Re: iphone trackpad pro) > > Maybe someone should drop Apple accessibility a note about functions they > might like implemented. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On 22 Apr 2010, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Yep preparing presentations with Keynote is not bad at all. I haven't quite >> figured out how to navigate each individual slide when full-screen mode is >> enabled. Vo reads the entire contents of each slide, (which is ok) but if, >> for example, I want to navigate to a specific bullet point on a slide, I >> haven't as yet figured out a way to do so when I'm in full-screen mode. I'm >> in the fortunate position though that most of my presentations are given >> using PDF files generated from LaTeX. >> >> Cheers >> Dónal >> On 22 Apr 2010, at 21:11, Olivia Norman wrote: >> >>> Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a >>> powerpoint presentation for a group project using it. If you'd like some >>> pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :) >>> Olivia >>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Olivia, >>>> >>>> That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am >>>> very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers >>>> and Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try >>>> working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave >>>> me. That should be quite an experience. >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read >>>>> spreadsheets. I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not >>>>> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well. I use it >>>>> for my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this >>>>> semester. If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider >>>>> purchasing that, because I feel that it would make it easier to use my >>>>> mac for employment purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with >>>>> iWork 09. >>>>> Olivia >>>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would have to agree. Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a >>>>>> candle >>>>>> to excel. I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this >>>>>> thread >>>>>> with searches. As for formulas I have had issues with complex >>>>>> reference >>>>>> formulas. I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a >>>>>> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different >>>>>> programs. >>>>>> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often >>>>>> transferable to >>>>>> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect. The largest >>>>>> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your >>>>>> employment. If this is the case there is not a better system out there. >>>>>> If >>>>>> your required to operate windows and many of the MS programs the >>>>>> transition can be a killer. Bring on MS office in Coco. Sorry for the >>>>>> rant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Roy >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>> >>>>>> Buddy: >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell, >>>>>> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of >>>>>> column >>>>>> I was in etc. Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and >>>>>> column at the same time. yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch. However, >>>>>> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel. I wish it was different, >>>>>> and, >>>>>> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well >>>>>> as I >>>>>> should. If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, >>>>>> grins! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried tables? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>>>>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student >>>>>> exams >>>>>> and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned >>>>>> my >>>>>> Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like >>>>>> either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided >>>>>> by >>>>>> VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will >>>>>> vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of >>>>>> spreadsheets >>>>>> using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to >>>>>> this >>>>>> kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>>>> full-screen >>>>>> mode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dónal >>>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>>>>> office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction >>>>>>>>>> attorney is to write briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>>>>>> others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>>>>>> school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with >>>>>>>>>> Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use >>>>>>>>>> serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, >>>>>>>>>> allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the >>>>>>>>>> preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I >>>>>>>>>> have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are >>>>>>>>>> few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that >>>>>>>>>> about? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office >>>>>>>>>> applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work >>>>>>>>>> with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a >>>>>> program called VMware fusion. >>>>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>>>>> your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you >>>>>>>>>> like for windows and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>>>>> configured windows just the way you want it, you can create what is >>>>>>>>>> known as a snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its >>>>>>>>>> exact configuration at the time you took it, meaning you will >>>>>>>>>> always have a fresh install of windows, office, and your screen >>>>>>>>>> reader a click away. It's awesome, because it does a complete and >>>>>>>>>> utter system restore when windows decides to go south on you. For a >>>>>>>>>> blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better than a >>>>>>>>>> standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>>>>> you took it. It is much more extensive than using the built in >>>>>>>>>> windows system restore utility. It has saved my skin a number of >>>>>>>>>> times, >>>>>> and I will give you a perfect example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>>>>> scanner with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different >>>>>>>>>> scanner that I was using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed >>>>>>>>>> the twain drivers for the new scanner, after trying to >>>>>>>>>> unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found myself in a >>>>>>>>>> situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>>>>> windows to get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was >>>>>>>>>> having to spend hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we >>>>>> all know what happens after that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine >>>>>>>>>> prior to having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. >>>>>>>>>> I then installed both on what was essentially a fresh copy of >>>>>>>>>> windows, and all was smooth sailing from there. It saved me from >>>>>>>>>> endless headaches, plus the burden of having to get a sighted >>>>>>>>>> person to help install the screen reader again, and the time that >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>> have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some >>>>>>>>>> excellent demos of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how >>>>>>>>>> fusion and voiceover work, and he runs window eyes on the XP side of >>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or >>>>>>>>>> not, I've come across a few people who have expressed criticism if >>>>>>>>>> not concern about the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, >>>>>>>>>> and have enjoyed it tremendously. I've been able to do things with >>>>>>>>>> the phone I was never able to do with other phones. The only >>>>>>>>>> problem I still have is putting in extensions and account numbers >>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>> the number is connected. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>>>>>> another phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any >>>>>>>>>> problem of any kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book >>>>>>>>>> pro on the drawing board. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and >>>>>>>>>> with the exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility >>>>>>>>>> right out of the box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>>>>> voice over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're >>>>>>>>>> conducting a business or doing a serious project, the mac is not >>>>>>>>>> for the blind user. This apparently has to do with the fact that >>>>>>>>>> the office aps are not accessible with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely >>>>>> sometimes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar >>>>>>>>>> with the product line, told me that the operating system was those >>>>>>>>>> who wanted to "play." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating >>>>>>>>>> systems address these issues. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
