Hi, calc does what you describe.  Suppose I have worked some hours for a client 
and I am going in to update his information.   I push command F, type the name, 
press enter, press escape, and I am on that client's name.  I can then arrow 
over to his hours worked and update it with the new hours.  That will update 
his hours remaining and calculate my receivables automatically, because of the 
way I set up my sheet.

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On 2010-04-21, at 11:43 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hello Olivia,
> 
> Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers.  
> It frustrates the hell out of me I have to say.  For example, when I used 
> Excel, and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the 
> following:
> 1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog.
> 2.  input the ID of the student,
> 3.  press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this data.  
> I could then navigate across the row and input the required grades.
> 
> I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers.  What I find is 
> that when using the "find" built into numbers, I can search for the text, but 
> can't go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades.
> 
> I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to 
> use the Excel parlance).  I find VO gets confused when navigating the layout 
> area containing them.
> 
> I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on 
> this matter,
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
> On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote:
> 
>> I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am 
>> taking this semester.  It works very well, and is the best means of 
>> information for charts, tables, etc.  I, too, constantly struggled with 
>> spreadsheets and jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with.  
>> Numbers is part of the iWork suite.
>> Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm with you Nick. 
>>> 
>>> I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do believe 
>>> some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure Apple will 
>>> do more to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why 
>>> there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never 
>>> understand it.
>>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, 
>>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't 
>>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really 
>>>> don't know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel.
>>>> 
>>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" 
>>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I 
>>>> would say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience 
>>>> surrounding the user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels 
>>>> like. Even if I only perform the various tasks of writing documents, 
>>>> e-mails and managing files, not to mention browsing the web, it always 
>>>> feels new. I always enjoy doing it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows 
>>>> machine.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nic
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>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main 
>>>>> machine.  However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 
>>>>> 1.  I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> good morning Denise,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating 
>>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University 
>>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish 
>>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student 
>>>>>> exams and to carry out other functions.  However, I have not totally 
>>>>>> abandoned my Dell.  While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, 
>>>>>> I don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the 
>>>>>> access provided by VO.  It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots 
>>>>>> on this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the 
>>>>>> browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled.  Vo lacks the 
>>>>>> kinds of semantic access to this kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a 
>>>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in 
>>>>>> full-screen mode.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. 
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write
>>>>>>> briefs, with case citations.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others
>>>>>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> helpfully answer your questions. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter 
>>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious 
>>>>>>> apps
>>>>>>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do
>>>>>>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on the 
>>>>>>> mac
>>>>>>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen readers 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> you say that about? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. 
>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware 
>>>>>>> fusion.
>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as your
>>>>>>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for 
>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>> and run office without a hitch. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have 
>>>>>>> configured
>>>>>>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a
>>>>>>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact 
>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install of
>>>>>>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, 
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go 
>>>>>>> south
>>>>>>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better
>>>>>>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot
>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when you 
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system 
>>>>>>> restore
>>>>>>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a
>>>>>>> perfect example. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a 
>>>>>>> scanner
>>>>>>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I was
>>>>>>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I 
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard 
>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall 
>>>>>>> windows to
>>>>>>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to spend
>>>>>>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what 
>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>> after that. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior to
>>>>>>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then 
>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was smooth
>>>>>>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the burden 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader again, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent 
>>>>>>> demos
>>>>>>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover 
>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope this helps. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, 
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern 
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it
>>>>>>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never 
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in 
>>>>>>> extensions
>>>>>>> and account numbers once the number is connected.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy another
>>>>>>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem of 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro 
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> drawing board.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with 
>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a 
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This
>>>>>>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not 
>>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with the
>>>>>>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted to
>>>>>>> "play."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems
>>>>>>> address these issues. Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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