This is great, however, have you found a quick way to determine what column your in as you navigate through various rows. I know, I could memorize this info, but, I have to use different work sheets and everyone has there own order to how they put in the columns. If there is a way to quickly read the column title, it would be quite helpful.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks Erik, and can Calc export to windows-compatible formats? Even CSV > would do fine. > On 22 Apr 2010, at 13:33, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi, calc does what you describe. Suppose I have worked some hours for a >> client and I am going in to update his information. I push command F, type >> the name, press enter, press escape, and I am on that client's name. I can >> then arrow over to his hours worked and update it with the new hours. That >> will update his hours remaining and calculate my receivables automatically, >> because of the way I set up my sheet. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> APlus certified technician and user support consultant >> Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> Visit my all new website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> Email: [email protected] >> >> On 2010-04-21, at 11:43 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hello Olivia, >>> >>> Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers. >>> It frustrates the hell out of me I have to say. For example, when I used >>> Excel, and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the >>> following: >>> 1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog. >>> 2. input the ID of the student, >>> 3. press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this >>> data. I could then navigate across the row and input the required grades. >>> >>> I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers. What I find is >>> that when using the "find" built into numbers, I can search for the text, >>> but can't go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades. >>> >>> I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to >>> use the Excel parlance). I find VO gets confused when navigating the >>> layout area containing them. >>> >>> I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on >>> this matter, >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dónal >>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote: >>> >>>> I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am >>>> taking this semester. It works very well, and is the best means of >>>> information for charts, tables, etc. I, too, constantly struggled with >>>> spreadsheets and jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with. >>>> Numbers is part of the iWork suite. >>>> Olivia >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm with you Nick. >>>>> >>>>> I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do >>>>> believe some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure >>>>> Apple will do more to improve accessibility. >>>>> >>>>> I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why >>>>> there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never >>>>> understand it. >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, >>>>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't >>>>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really >>>>>> don't know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" >>>>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I >>>>>> would say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience >>>>>> surrounding the user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels >>>>>> like. Even if I only perform the various tasks of writing documents, >>>>>> e-mails and managing files, not to mention browsing the web, it always >>>>>> feels new. I always enjoy doing it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows >>>>>> machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Mobile Me: [email protected] >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>>>>>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a >>>>>>> good 1. I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now >>>>>>> anyway! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student >>>>>>>> exams and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally >>>>>>>> abandoned my Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is >>>>>>>> accessible, I don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or >>>>>>>> indeed the access provided by VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt >>>>>>>> the zealots on this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe >>>>>>>> that the browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo >>>>>>>> lacks the kinds of semantic access to this kind of data that >>>>>>>> Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>>>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>>>>>> full-screen mode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dónal >>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>>>> office. And >>>>>>>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to >>>>>>>>> write >>>>>>>>> briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>>>>> school, and >>>>>>>>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel >>>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>>>> helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious >>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on >>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen >>>>>>>>> readers can >>>>>>>>> you say that about? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. >>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware >>>>>>>>> fusion. >>>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for >>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>> and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>>>> configured >>>>>>>>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a >>>>>>>>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact >>>>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>>>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to >>>>>>>>> go south >>>>>>>>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion >>>>>>>>> snapshot >>>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>>>> you took >>>>>>>>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system >>>>>>>>> restore >>>>>>>>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a >>>>>>>>> perfect example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>>>> scanner >>>>>>>>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I >>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard >>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>>>> windows to >>>>>>>>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to >>>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what >>>>>>>>> happens >>>>>>>>> after that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then >>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was >>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the >>>>>>>>> burden of >>>>>>>>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader >>>>>>>>> again, and >>>>>>>>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent >>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and >>>>>>>>> voiceover work, >>>>>>>>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, >>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it >>>>>>>>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never >>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in >>>>>>>>> extensions >>>>>>>>> and account numbers once the number is connected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem >>>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>> drawing board. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a >>>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This >>>>>>>>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not >>>>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>>>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> "play." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems >>>>>>>>> address these issues. 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