Keynote works very well. I did actually complete my part with out ruining everyone else's :) It's great that I can use keynote and save the file as a .ppt, which means that everyone else using windows machines in my group can open and read the file. Olivia "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > You got to be kidding. Well now I am going to play with Keynote and such. I > am also taking courses where Powerpoint is used, but I tend to trade tasks > with team mates because I can't touch a Powerpoint file without trashing it. > So, I am glad to hear this as well. I am not quite sure what to ask, but I do > appreciate the help and once I get into playing with Numbers, I will let you > know. I've had these apps for a while, but between a full-time job and class, > I have not much time to play. > > Thanks, > On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: > >> Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a >> powerpoint presentation for a group project using it. If you'd like some >> pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :) >> Olivia >> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Olivia, >>> >>> That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am >>> very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers and >>> Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try >>> working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave me. >>> That should be quite an experience. >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote: >>> >>>> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read >>>> spreadsheets. I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not >>>> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well. I use it >>>> for my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this >>>> semester. If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider >>>> purchasing that, because I feel that it would make it easier to use my mac >>>> for employment purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with iWork 09. >>>> Olivia >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would have to agree. Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle >>>>> to excel. I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this >>>>> thread >>>>> with searches. As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference >>>>> formulas. I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a >>>>> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs. >>>>> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable >>>>> to >>>>> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect. The largest >>>>> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your >>>>> employment. If this is the case there is not a better system out there. >>>>> If >>>>> your required to operate windows and many of the MS programs the >>>>> transition can be a killer. Bring on MS office in Coco. Sorry for the >>>>> rant. >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Roy >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>> >>>>> Buddy: >>>>> >>>>> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell, >>>>> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of >>>>> column >>>>> I was in etc. Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and >>>>> column at the same time. yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch. However, >>>>> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel. I wish it was different, and, >>>>> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as >>>>> I >>>>> should. If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, >>>>> grins! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried tables? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>>>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good >>>>> 1. >>>>> I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student >>>>> exams >>>>> and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned >>>>> my >>>>> Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like >>>>> either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided >>>>> by >>>>> VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will >>>>> vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets >>>>> using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to >>>>> this >>>>> kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>>> full-screen >>>>> mode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dónal >>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>>>> office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction >>>>>>>>> attorney is to write briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>>>>> others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>>>>> school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with >>>>>>>>> Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use >>>>>>>>> serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, >>>>>>>>> allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the >>>>>>>>> preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I >>>>>>>>> have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are >>>>>>>>> few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that about? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office >>>>>>>>> applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work >>>>>>>>> with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a >>>>> program called VMware fusion. >>>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>>>> your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you >>>>>>>>> like for windows and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>>>> configured windows just the way you want it, you can create what is >>>>>>>>> known as a snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its >>>>>>>>> exact configuration at the time you took it, meaning you will >>>>>>>>> always have a fresh install of windows, office, and your screen >>>>>>>>> reader a click away. It's awesome, because it does a complete and >>>>>>>>> utter system restore when windows decides to go south on you. For a >>>>>>>>> blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better than a >>>>>>>>> standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>>>> you took it. It is much more extensive than using the built in >>>>>>>>> windows system restore utility. It has saved my skin a number of >>>>>>>>> times, >>>>> and I will give you a perfect example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>>>> scanner with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different >>>>>>>>> scanner that I was using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed >>>>>>>>> the twain drivers for the new scanner, after trying to >>>>>>>>> unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found myself in a >>>>>>>>> situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>>>> windows to get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was >>>>>>>>> having to spend hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we >>>>> all know what happens after that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine >>>>>>>>> prior to having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. >>>>>>>>> I then installed both on what was essentially a fresh copy of >>>>>>>>> windows, and all was smooth sailing from there. It saved me from >>>>>>>>> endless headaches, plus the burden of having to get a sighted >>>>>>>>> person to help install the screen reader again, and the time that >>>>>>>>> would >>>>> have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some >>>>>>>>> excellent demos of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how >>>>>>>>> fusion and voiceover work, and he runs window eyes on the XP side of >>>>> things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or >>>>>>>>> not, I've come across a few people who have expressed criticism if >>>>>>>>> not concern about the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, >>>>>>>>> and have enjoyed it tremendously. I've been able to do things with >>>>>>>>> the phone I was never able to do with other phones. The only >>>>>>>>> problem I still have is putting in extensions and account numbers once >>>>> the number is connected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>>>>> another phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any >>>>>>>>> problem of any kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book >>>>>>>>> pro on the drawing board. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and >>>>>>>>> with the exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility >>>>>>>>> right out of the box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>>>> voice over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're >>>>>>>>> conducting a business or doing a serious project, the mac is not >>>>>>>>> for the blind user. This apparently has to do with the fact that >>>>>>>>> the office aps are not accessible with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely >>>>> sometimes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar >>>>>>>>> with the product line, told me that the operating system was those >>>>>>>>> who wanted to "play." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating >>>>>>>>> systems address these issues. 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