You got to be kidding. Well now I am going to play with Keynote and such. I am also taking courses where Powerpoint is used, but I tend to trade tasks with team mates because I can't touch a Powerpoint file without trashing it. So, I am glad to hear this as well. I am not quite sure what to ask, but I do appreciate the help and once I get into playing with Numbers, I will let you know. I've had these apps for a while, but between a full-time job and class, I have not much time to play.
Thanks, On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: > Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a > powerpoint presentation for a group project using it. If you'd like some > pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :) > Olivia > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Olivia, >> >> That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am >> very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers and >> Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try >> working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave me. >> That should be quite an experience. >> >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote: >> >>> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read >>> spreadsheets. I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not >>> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well. I use it >>> for my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this >>> semester. If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider >>> purchasing that, because I feel that it would make it easier to use my mac >>> for employment purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with iWork 09. >>> Olivia >>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote: >>> >>>> I would have to agree. Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle >>>> to excel. I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this thread >>>> with searches. As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference >>>> formulas. I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a >>>> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs. >>>> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable >>>> to >>>> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect. The largest >>>> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your >>>> employment. If this is the case there is not a better system out there. >>>> If >>>> your required to operate windows and many of the MS programs the >>>> transition can be a killer. Bring on MS office in Coco. Sorry for the >>>> rant. >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Roy >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>> >>>> Buddy: >>>> >>>> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell, >>>> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of >>>> column >>>> I was in etc. Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and >>>> column at the same time. yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch. However, >>>> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel. I wish it was different, and, >>>> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as I >>>> should. If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, >>>> grins! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Have you tried tables? >>>>> -- >>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main >>>> machine. However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1. >>>> I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams >>>> and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned my >>>> Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like >>>> either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by >>>> VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will >>>> vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets >>>> using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this >>>> kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>> full-screen >>>> mode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dónal >>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders >>>>>>>> office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction >>>>>>>> attorney is to write briefs, with case citations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to >>>>>>>> others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law >>>>>>>> school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with >>>>>>>> Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use >>>>>>>> serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, >>>>>>>> allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the >>>>>>>> preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I >>>>>>>> have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are >>>>>>>> few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office >>>>>>>> applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work >>>>>>>> with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a >>>> program called VMware fusion. >>>>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as >>>>>>>> your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you >>>>>>>> like for windows and run office without a hitch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>>>> configured windows just the way you want it, you can create what is >>>>>>>> known as a snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its >>>>>>>> exact configuration at the time you took it, meaning you will >>>>>>>> always have a fresh install of windows, office, and your screen >>>>>>>> reader a click away. It's awesome, because it does a complete and >>>>>>>> utter system restore when windows decides to go south on you. For a >>>>>>>> blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better than a >>>>>>>> standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when >>>>>>>> you took it. It is much more extensive than using the built in >>>>>>>> windows system restore utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, >>>> and I will give you a perfect example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>>>> scanner with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different >>>>>>>> scanner that I was using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed >>>>>>>> the twain drivers for the new scanner, after trying to >>>>>>>> unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found myself in a >>>>>>>> situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>>>> windows to get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was >>>>>>>> having to spend hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we >>>> all know what happens after that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine >>>>>>>> prior to having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. >>>>>>>> I then installed both on what was essentially a fresh copy of >>>>>>>> windows, and all was smooth sailing from there. It saved me from >>>>>>>> endless headaches, plus the burden of having to get a sighted >>>>>>>> person to help install the screen reader again, and the time that would >>>> have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some >>>>>>>> excellent demos of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how >>>>>>>> fusion and voiceover work, and he runs window eyes on the XP side of >>>> things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or >>>>>>>> not, I've come across a few people who have expressed criticism if >>>>>>>> not concern about the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, >>>>>>>> and have enjoyed it tremendously. I've been able to do things with >>>>>>>> the phone I was never able to do with other phones. The only >>>>>>>> problem I still have is putting in extensions and account numbers once >>>> the number is connected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy >>>>>>>> another phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any >>>>>>>> problem of any kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book >>>>>>>> pro on the drawing board. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and >>>>>>>> with the exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility >>>>>>>> right out of the box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with >>>>>>>> voice over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're >>>>>>>> conducting a business or doing a serious project, the mac is not >>>>>>>> for the blind user. This apparently has to do with the fact that >>>>>>>> the office aps are not accessible with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely >>>> sometimes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar >>>>>>>> with the product line, told me that the operating system was those >>>>>>>> who wanted to "play." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating >>>>>>>> systems address these issues. 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