Hi,

New to the mac so could you tell me where users and groups are?  

Thanks so much.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> In Users & Groups, Interact with the Users, Groups and Login Options List, 
> and navigate down to Login Options.  stop Interacting With the List then 
> navigate right until you locate the "Use VoiceOver at Login" checkbox.
> 
> Sorry, I can't help with Pandora, I don't use it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2011-11-13, at 12:10 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
>> Hi! I have no idea why vo doesn't always speak it's welcome message; it 
>> almost always starts, but as I said, it's usually
>> stuck in some weird window that doesn't exist, so I have to command tab 
>> before I can do anything; and I have no clue when
>> it's OK to do that command tab since VO almost never says anything.
>> I went through users and groups, but didn't find  anything pertaining to vo. 
>> I'll look again, just in case I missed
>> something, but since I'm not noticing any improvements, I don't know how 
>> much time I'll put into getting this fresh install
>> up and running. The main thing I was curious about was if it would 
>> change/improve the way my pandora app read, and that did
>> not improve in any way. Thanks for the help, though. I'll try to investigate 
>> things a little bit further.
>> Missy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:04 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The option you're looking for in System Preferences is Users & Groups.  Lion 
>> has made this option more in line with servers
>> and other OS's that use that terminology.  I'm not sure why your computer 
>> has the "hit and miss" when it comes to VO turning
>> on automatically, I've only experienced this when a specific error message 
>> has circumvented VO from starting right away.  In
>> these cases, I just pressed cmd-f5, VO came on, I determined the error type 
>> and eliminated it so that VO behaved as it
>> should.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2011-11-13, at 10:18 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, all. I did the clean install of lion last night as planned, and
>>> so far, I must say that I think it was a complete waste of time. VO
>>> sspeaking at start-up is still hit or miss, and I now find myself
>>> stuck in something called T.I. switcher; basicly the exact same
>>> problem as the com.doc.apple.extra that existed when lion first came
>>> out. The system preferences window seems to have been completely 
>>> rearranged, and I'm having trouble finding things: most
>> noteably where I turn on the option for VO to speak log in windows. Since I 
>> don't have to log on, it wouldn't be a problem,
>> but it becomes an issue if I'm installing updates that require the machine 
>> to be restarted.
>>> I've installed all of the newest updates, and I do intend to install a
>>> few apps just to say I've made a legitimate effort, but in retrospect,
>>> I should have left well enough alone. Thankfully, I cloned my SL drive
>>> before all this started, but so far, I'm very disappointed in the lack of 
>>> difference between the upgrade of lion and the
>> clean install. At least based on my experience so far, I have to agree with 
>> the folks at apple on this one; upgrading is
>> better.
>>> If anyone could provide any insite on what I'm doing wrong and why
>>> lion is still such a tremendous disappointment, I would really
>>> appreciate it. For now, though, I'm off to find the install of CCC. I've 
>>> got a feeling I'm going to need it in a few days.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:48 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install
>>> 
>>> The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch.
>>> After all if your going to go through all the trouble, you might as
>>> well start with a truly fresh system. Otherwise, you will be copying things 
>>> by hand and you may not get everything
>> necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned from the experience and 
>> that itself is worth the effort.
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do any
>>>> good, but just because I want to say I've made the effort, I'm
>>>> getting ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my prep 
>>>> work:
>>>> cloning to external drives to make sure I don't lose anything, I'm
>>>> going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I just wanted to write to
>>>> the group, though, because I'm curious how I'll go about putting back
>>>> apps. Can I restore them from the cloned drives, or do I have to
>>>> actually reinstall things? More than anything else, I'm concerned
>>>> about the Acapella voices I purchased to use with my mac,
>>> but wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature.
>>> Also, how do I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted, I've only made
>>> two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and 
>>> Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the app store
>> again?
>>>> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my
>>>> current lion install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL install.
>>>> That way, if the clean install still isn't
>>> satisfactory, I can put everything back the way it was.
>>>> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding
>>>> myself that there's no way I can possibly render the mac entirely
>>>> useless, but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones that
>>>> cost money. So, if anyone has any instructions to share, I
>>> would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be able to 
>>> update itself to 7.2?
>>>> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying this
>>>> to give Lion another chance to get into my good
>>> graces.
>>>> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having 
>>>> a great day!
>>>> Missy
>>>> 
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