OK. Just do the vo keys plus M to get into the menu. In the apple menu, down arrow until you hear system preferences. No need to apologize for being a newbie. I still very much consider myself one. I just had a minor breakthrough in understanding how mail works, so I'm feeling really proud of myself right now. Good luck! Missy
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install You're really gonna laugh, but where is system preferences? Sorry for the dumb question but I'm still learning. You'll do fine with lion. I'm sure of it. Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Hi! I think that if you hit U from within system preferences, you > should be able to find it that way. Otherwise, just start tabbing > around until you hear it. They totally changed the layout of system > preferences, so it's easy to lose stuff. Speaking of which, since I > wasn't noticing any benefits or performance improvements at all from > the clean lion install I did over the weekend, I've decided to > reinstall my updated version. I recognize that I need to start making > myself learn lion, so will only run SL from an external drive when > needed. It's just that for me, the clean install of lion was causing > more trouble than it was worth, so if I have to put up with lion, I'm > going to at least revert to a setup which more or less worked. The > only thing I will definitely need to continue using SL for is creating spoken > text audio files; no matter what I do, that faeture just doesn't work reliably under Lion, and when I did manage to get an mp3 under lion, it read out the line of underline characters which I use as section separaters in the file I need to make periodic mp3 versions of. That was never an issue under SL. So, I don't know what the problem is, but at least I have my external drive with SL that I can boot from whenever I need to. In the mean time, I suppose it's time to start trying to tame that pesky lion. (sigh) Good luck finding what you need to fix, and I hope that you're having a great day! > Missy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:39 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install > > Hi, > > New to the mac so could you tell me where users and groups are? > > Thanks so much. > > Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks > On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> In Users & Groups, Interact with the Users, Groups and Login Options >> List, and navigate down to Login Options. stop > Interacting With the List then navigate right until you locate the "Use > VoiceOver at Login" checkbox. >> >> Sorry, I can't help with Pandora, I don't use it. >> >> Later... >> >> On 2011-11-13, at 12:10 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> Hi! I have no idea why vo doesn't always speak it's welcome message; >>> it almost always starts, but as I said, it's usually stuck in some >>> weird window that doesn't exist, so I have to command tab before I >>> can do anything; and I have no clue when it's OK to do > that command tab since VO almost never says anything. >>> I went through users and groups, but didn't find anything >>> pertaining to vo. I'll look again, just in case I missed something, >>> but since I'm not noticing any improvements, I don't know how much >>> time I'll put into getting this fresh install up and running. The >>> main thing I was curious about was if it would change/improve the > way my pandora app read, and that did not improve in any way. Thanks > for the help, though. I'll try to investigate things a little bit further. >>> Missy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn >>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:04 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The option you're looking for in System Preferences is Users & >>> Groups. Lion has made this option more in line with servers and >>> other OS's that use that terminology. I'm not sure why your >>> computer has the "hit and miss" when it comes to VO turning on >>> automatically, I've only experienced this when a specific error >>> message has circumvented VO from starting right away. In these >>> cases, I > just pressed cmd-f5, VO came on, I determined the error type and eliminated > it so that VO behaved as it should. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> On 2011-11-13, at 10:18 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, all. I did the clean install of lion last night as planned, >>>> and so far, I must say that I think it was a complete waste of time. >>>> VO sspeaking at start-up is still hit or miss, and I now find >>>> myself stuck in something called T.I. switcher; basicly the exact >>>> same problem as the com.doc.apple.extra that existed when lion >>>> first came out. The system preferences window seems to have been >>>> completely rearranged, and I'm having trouble finding things: most >>> noteably where I turn on the option for VO to speak log in windows. >>> Since I don't have to log on, it wouldn't be a problem, but it >>> becomes an issue if I'm installing updates that require the > machine to be restarted. >>>> I've installed all of the newest updates, and I do intend to >>>> install a few apps just to say I've made a legitimate effort, but >>>> in retrospect, I should have left well enough alone. Thankfully, I >>>> cloned my SL drive before all this started, but so far, I'm very >>>> disappointed in the lack of difference between the upgrade of lion >>>> and the >>> clean install. At least based on my experience so far, I have to >>> agree with the folks at apple on this one; upgrading is better. >>>> If anyone could provide any insite on what I'm doing wrong and why >>>> lion is still such a tremendous disappointment, I would really >>>> appreciate it. For now, though, I'm off to find the install of CCC. >>>> I've got a feeling I'm going to need it in a few > days. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:48 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Preparing for clean lion install >>>> >>>> The best thing you could do is install all the apps from scratch. >>>> After all if your going to go through all the trouble, you might as >>>> well start with a truly fresh system. Otherwise, you will be >>>> copying things by hand and you may not get everything >>> necessary. If nothing else, you will have learned from the experience and >>> that itself is worth the effort. >>>> Good luck, >>>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good evening, all. I'm highly skeptical that this is going to do >>>>> any good, but just because I want to say I've made the effort, I'm >>>>> getting ready to do a clean install of lion. While I'm doing all my prep >>>>> work: >>>>> cloning to external drives to make sure I don't lose anything, I'm >>>>> going to listen to Mike's podcast on Lion. I just wanted to write >>>>> to the group, though, because I'm curious how I'll go about >>>>> putting back apps. Can I restore them from the cloned drives, or >>>>> do I have to actually reinstall things? More than anything else, >>>>> I'm concerned about the Acapella voices I purchased to use with my >>>>> mac, >>>> but wouldn't mind tips about adium, skype and things of that nature. >>>> Also, how do I back up my Itunes purchases. Granted, I've only made >>>> two of them, but I don't want to lose them. What about Growl and >>>> Yorufukuru? Will I just get those from the app store >>> again? >>>>> I've got 2 external drives handy, so I'm backing up not only my >>>>> current lion install, but also my perfect and up-to-date SL install. >>>>> That way, if the clean install still isn't >>>> satisfactory, I can put everything back the way it was. >>>>> Any advice will be extremely appreciated. I just keep reminding >>>>> myself that there's no way I can possibly render the mac entirely >>>>> useless, but I don't want to lose any apps, especially not ones >>>>> that cost money. So, if anyone has any instructions to share, I >>>> would be extremely greatful. Also, once I use my CD, will lion be able to >>>> update itself to 7.2? >>>>> OK. Sorry for the rambling, disjointed message. I just am trying >>>>> this to give Lion another chance to get into my good >>>> graces. >>>>> Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that everyone is having >>>>> a great day! >>>>> Missy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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