> The statement was the selectors do not have an effect on reputation, but that sometimes people believe they do because they changed the selector at the same time they changed other things. @Laura> that too; but there were clearly a possibility to say "no we don't use s= at all", it hasn't been said. A few years back, it was Yahoo saying that s= was part of the reputation. Now to what extent, and is it still the case, I can't say.
-- <https://www.splio.com> Benjamin 2017-10-11 4:23 GMT+08:00 Brandon Long via mailop <mailop@mailop.org>: > Yeah, I'd echo a bunch of what Vladimir said, selectors are useful for > different mail streams from the same domain, and we've played with using it > for reputation (as a tuple with domain). That said, we don't want to > discourage rotation, especially not anything crazy like requiring senders > to ramp a new selector/key, doing something crazy like using both keys at > the same time and slowly replacing one with the other. > > Unfortunately, most folks don't seem to rotate very often (and Google as a > sender isn't doing this well either), so we need to be careful. > > As long as it's a weak signal combined with others, it's probably fine. > > And, as always as a disclaimer, anything's fair game to change with no > notice when we're staring down large new spammer campaigns. > > Brandon > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Laura Atkins <la...@wordtothewise.com> > wrote: > >> On Oct 10, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Vladimir Dubrovin via mailop < >> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >> >> >> I can say nothing about Google, but selectors can really have indirect >> impact on the reputation. >> >> We do not bind reputation directly to objects like domains, selectors, >> etc and use dynamic tuples instead (that is content of this tuple is >> flexible to better match specific mailing type), and in many cases DKIM >> selector is a member of this tuple, because it may be useful to give >> different reputation for different mail classes, e.g. marketing and >> transactional from the same domain. >> >> >> As I understand it, that’s outside the DKIM spec. However, that’s a >> useful information, thank you. >> >> Also, it may be used within data feed to classifiers, and classifiers are >> also used in reputation tuples and there is machine learning inside. So >> it's really hard to predict how DKIM selector may affect reputation. But >> surely, it can. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> laura >> >> >> 10.10.2017 18:37, Laura Atkins пишет: >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> >> wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> >> > Do you? >> In the way I tried to express it, yes. >> Gmail recently said that the selector, or the change of the selector, can >> have a role in their anti-spam and reputation system. Just because it's an >> element of the email, and that it can indicate something. >> >> >> I think you misunderstood what was said. The statement was the selectors >> do not have an effect on reputation, but that sometimes people believe they >> do because they changed the selector at the same time they changed other >> things. >> >> laura >> >> -- >> Having an Email Crisis? 800 823-9674 <(800)%20823-9674> >> >> Laura Atkins >> Word to the Wise >> la...@wordtothewise.com >> (650) 437-0741 >> >> Email Delivery Blog: http://wordtothewise.com/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mailop mailing >> listmailop@mailop.orghttps://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> >> -- >> Vladimir Dubrovin >> @Mail.Ru >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> >> -- >> Having an Email Crisis? 800 823-9674 <(800)%20823-9674> >> >> Laura Atkins >> Word to the Wise >> la...@wordtothewise.com >> (650) 437-0741 >> >> Email Delivery Blog: http://wordtothewise.com/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >
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