Not sure I follow what your asking?  

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Alessandro Vesely
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [marf] Cohesion of authfailure-report, was Split of dkim-reporting 
draft

On 31/Mar/11 09:09, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> On 31/Mar/11 09:03, Hilda Fontana wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> 
>>> The consensus at our IETF 80 meeting was to divide the DKIM 
>>> reporting draft into smaller documents.  I believe the split should 
>>> go as follows:
>>> 
>>> -  Defining the auth-failure report type (someone besides me
>>>    should take up authorship of this, but I’ll do it if nobody 
>>>    steps up)
>> 
>> what does it mean "Defining the auth-failure report type" with DKIM, 
>> SPF and Redaction not included?
>
> One document would register the changes to DKIM and ADSP (i.e. the 
> updates to the registered lists of tags and values) and one would 
> register the new ARF report type.  The two documents can be published 
> simultaneously and refer to each other.

I should have raised this issue some months ago, but I hadn't clearly 
understood the details of the splitting at the time.

One the one hand, the SPF and DKIM method-extensions include similar text, 
thereby making it harder to change any of those parts.  On the other hand, the 
ARF extension mentions DKIM and SPF details again and again, resulting in tight 
coupling with each method-extension.

Alternatively, the ARF extension could list what a method extension must do in 
order to define and register the details of failure-reporting for the specific 
authentication method it addresses.
 I mentioned this possibility in a recent message of mines, but nobody 
apparently cares.  I'm confused, or perhaps it's just July...

?? in what way are you suggesting?

Which of the following, if any, is correct?

A       The ARF extension will gain in comprehensibility by removing
        any method-specific detail.  Since that's where admins may
        eventually look for deciding whether to enable such feature
        in their software, it is better to have it uncluttered.

        BTW, why don't we also split dkim-adsp from dkim?

B       The splitting is fine as it is, although not in a "normal
        form".  It is extremely unlikely that "iprev" or any other
        method will ever need a failure reporting mechanism.  The
        sooner we go to testing and deploying, the better.

?not in a normal form?
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