Hilda, when you put a "+1" at the end of a message like this, I can't
tell what you're agreeing with.  Murray didn't make a single statement
in his message -- in the end, he gave alternatives and asked what
people think.

Can you be specific about what you agree with?

Barry

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Hilda Fontana <[email protected]> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> Murray S. Kucherawy
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:48 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [marf] Cohesion of authfailure-report, was Split of dkim-
>> reporting draft
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
>> > Of Alessandro Vesely
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:00 AM
>> > To: Hilda Fontana
>> > Cc: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [marf] Cohesion of authfailure-report, was Split of
>> > dkim-reporting draft
>> >
>> > Roughly, a section more or less like
>> >
>> >    X.Y.Z.  Definition and Registration of Method-Specific Extensions
>> >
>> >    The IANA maintains a registry of Email Authentication Methods
>> >    along with their possible results.  A "method-specific extension"
>> >    extends an authentication method by providing for the possibility
>> >    to report its result using the ARF format specified in this
>> >    document.  Any such extension must specify:
>> >
>> >    *  which method(s) it addresses;
>> >
>> >    *  which result(s) of the addressed method(s) deserve being
>> >       reported;
>> >
>> >    *  a list of one or more keywords to be used in the Auth-Failure
>> >       field when reporting such results; and
>> >
>> >    *  the location and the syntax of the report parameters whose
>> >       semantic content is described in Section U.V.W.
>> >
>> >    In addition, a method-specific extension may define further ARF
>> >    header fields.  In case it does so, it shall also define the
>> >    corresponding updates to ARF header field names in its IANA
>> >    Considerations section.
>> >
>> > Section U.V.W would discuss r, rf, and ri, and possibly mention ro and
>> > rs too.  Not how they are syntactically encoded, just what they mean.
>> >
>> > Does the above make sense?
>>
>> We're adding DKIM and SPF reporting to ARF in this way because they both
>> pre-date ARF in the official sense.  I think the current approach makes
> sense;
>> this document extends ARF and the spf-reporting and dkim-reporting
>> documents extend SPF and DKIM respectively, and they're all compatible
>> with each other.
>>
>> I think if the working group feels this is a good idea to write down for
> future
>> extensions, we can produce another Informational document that explains
>> the things one should consider in terms of creating a new email
>> authentication method, including registering and defining reporting
>> extensions both in terms of ARF and RFC5451.  Or, as a lesser approach,
> that
>> could become an appendix of this one.
>>
>> > Indeed, I think authfailure-report can be written without mentioning
>> > neither "dkim" nor "spf", except for possible examples.  I guess that
>> > would enhance comprehensibility.  However, the WG should decide
>> > whether to go this way _before_ delving into any finer tuning, if it's
>> > not too late already.
>>
>> Ignoring redaction for the moment, what we have now is:
>>
>> - authfailure-report modifies ARF
>> - dkim-reporting modifies DKIM and ADSP
>> - spf-reporting modifies SPF
>>
>> That seems nice and clean.  Your proposal changes it to:
>>
>> - authfailure-report modifies ARF
>> - dkim-reporting modifies DKIM and ADSP, and also modifies authfailure-
>> report
>> - spf-reporting modifies SPF, and also modifies authfailure-report
>>
>> At a glance the first method seems cleaner to me.  On the other hand, the
>> latter is a more clear demonstration of how future email authentication
>> methods will need to create reporting hooks.
>>
>> What do others think?  And let's try to make this the last revisit of the
>> arrangement of this work so that we can make some progress.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -MSK
> +1
>
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