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On 3/15/2016 8:55 AM, Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo via Marxism wrote:
Clay Claiborne wrote:
and it has worked out pretty much
the way he planned it.
The full sentence was "My thesis is simply that Trump set this situation
up and it has worked out pretty much the way he planned it." This was
responses to interpretations that accused me of bashing the protesters
and other strange extrapolations from my simple argument. Kevin used a
fragment so he could ignore the context, so that he could declare me
repetitive, so Louis could agree, so they could end this thread ahead of
a response to my question to Manuel designed to get deeper into the role
race is playing in this discussion. Thank you Manuel for objecting to
ending this discussion now in the name of Repetitiveness. I didn't raise
a new point about localism in that same email, but I did repeat
something, so let's jump on that.
Actually, I should walk my setup theory back a bit in light of what I
discovered about St. Louis. In an effort to better determine Trump's
motives for cancelling the Chicago rally I took a look at what he did
earlier that day, and I discovered,
1) It was held at a similar DT location as the Chicago rally - at the
Peabody Center not that far from MLK Jr. Blvd. This undermines my theory
that he choose UIC expressly for the purpose of causing the confrontation.
2) While the St. Louis protest didn't receive the same attention as
Chicago, it was actually quite effective and may have been what caused
Trump to cancel Chicago. This is a good piece on St. L:
http://www.thenation.com/article/why-the-trump-rally-in-st-louis-was-so-different/
It gives us this description of the St. Louis rally:
In this climate, honed by 17 months of protests since the killing of
Mike Brown, Trump never got more than a few minutes to speak without
interruption. The disruptions were constant. As the protesters were
ejected from the building, they were greeted by a mixture of boos and
cheers in the street. At last count, 32 were arrested. All protesters.
While people around the world have been inspired by Ferguson, many
white St. Louisans felt differently.
<http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=While+people+around+the+world+have+been+inspired+by+Ferguson%2C+many+white+St.+Louisans+felt+differently.%20http://thenat.in/1Xley9f>
St. Louis proved to be tough for the Donald. He grew more and more
testy as his rambling speech went on. Trump yearned for the good old
days when protesters could be roughed up, stated police should be
tougher and less “politically correct,” and blamed protesters for the
decline of America.
Trump left St. Louis a weakened man, like a fighter who endured a lot
of punishment in the early rounds. Chicago was the next stop.
Thousands showed up to protest Trump at the UIC-Pavilion, and in the
end Trump tapped out and refused to speak. Trump submitted to the
protesters in Chicago in the way that Conor McGregor tapped to the
rear-naked choke of Nate Diaz just days earlier.
This was at noon so we have to ask why he didn't cancel the Chicago
rally before the arena filled up if he didn't want a confrontation,
Repeating that assertion doesn't prove it.
Doesn't make it any less true does it? and if repeating assertions is a
crime on Marxmail, I am not guilty alone, why is it being said in this case?
In a previous post, you wrote, "I will wait until after Tuesday before I render a
verdict on [the protest's] effectiveness." What happened to that approach?
You are confusing two separate things 1) I said Trump setup the protest
- I used the example of setting up an a bush.
2) I said that the protesters rode into an ambush but I will reserve my
verdict on the effectiveness of their "riding into an ambush" until the
outcome of the immediate battle - the vote in IL today. I never said I
was withholding my verdict as to whether it was an ambush until the
outcome of the vote.
Where's the confusion? You wish to end on this note and treat me like
I'm not making sense?
Well, do what you will. My weekend is over. I go back to work in 10 minutes.
Clay
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