The messiness is a consequence of the Nation-State and not the Identity of being a Nation or nationality.
� To overcome the contradiction in the use of Self-determination I have resorted to The Federal Principle. � My 3 years of work in Nablus resulted in the book published in English and Arabic entitled ‘The Federation of Palestinian and Hebrew Nations’. � � https://www.academia.edu/38380122/The_Federation_of_Palestinian_and_Hebrew_Nations � The Federation of Palestinian and Hebrew Nations Second Edition https://www.amazon.co.uk/Federation-Palestinian-Hebrew-Nations-SECOND-ebook/dp/B0BR4HGHFC/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1674350005 <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Federation-Palestinian-Hebrew-Nations-SECOND-ebook/dp/B0BR4HGHFC/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1674350005&refinements=p_27%3AAbraham+Weizfeld&s=digital-text&sr=1-2> &refinements=p_27%3AAbraham+Weizfeld&s=digital-text&sr=1-2 � � � Dr abrahim � � � � From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Meeropol via groups.io � In teaching about South Africa when I was working at the college level, I had the very short statement from a German philosopher (whose name I forgot -- I'd mangle it if I tried to do it from aural memory) "A nation is that which wishes to be a nation!" --- In other words, following Dr. Weizfeld, national groups can SELF-DEFINE -- � I also developed a longer one in a lecture entitled The FOrging of a Black South African Nation --- in which I argued that the various ethnic groups that �lived in South Africa may have originally not constituted a nation --- but many common experiences --- gaining a "lingua franca" (either speaking English or Afrikaans), gaining a common religiom (Christianity), having the common experience (of oppression first by the colonialists, and then by the dispossession from land, and finally by the Apartheid system) and becoming part of a South African working class --- via the migratory labor system and the lives in the Townships --- created such a "nation." � � I have no idea whether my (admittedly crude) ideas had much validity --- *(I did discuss them with a South African sociologist about that issue) --- but the discussion of whether Jews constitute a "nation" or an "ethnicity" jogged my memory. � I am a non-observant, non-Yiddish-speaking Jewish American --- I was Bar Mitzvahed and I still remember some of my Hebrew prayers (though I never learned what most of them meant in English) --- So what makes me Jewish? � First and foremost, I call myself Jewish --- � � But in the end, I think what makes me (and many other non-observant Jews) Jewish is anti-semitism. � Until the last anti-semite is dead, I will always be Jewish to myself, my family and friends and the world. � Unfortunately, that doesn't answer the question of whether there is a "Jewish national group" anywhere in the world. � AS FOR ISRAELI JEWS --- I would venture to guess without knowing for sure, that ISraeli Jews and Israeli Arabs have enough common history to constitute a "nation" --- just as all the various ethnicities that make up the United States are members of a "nation" --- It ain't as clear as when Napoleon called himself the "Emperor of the French" (not of France notice) but I think those multi-ethnic entities often share enough in common to be a nation. � BUT IT'S MESSY --- and I would definitely hesitate to call is "False consciousness" --- � On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 7:12 PM abraham Weizfeld PhD via groups.io <http://groups.io> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: In Reply; � ‘’ false consciousness’’ is the refuge of the Nation-State paradigm initiated by Hegel and the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 creating the German Nation-State, which did not include the jewish and Romani nationalities the Siti, for reasons of our Oriental origins. � For a Marxist to extoll the definition of the Nation-Sate, or a territorial designated culture, is to discredit Marxism itself. � � -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#31912): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/31912 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/107980589/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
