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On Sunday, January 12, 2025, Michael Karadjis via groups.io <mkaradjis= [email protected]> wrote: > Sartesian: "A Marxist analysis begins with the examination of the social > condition of labor that is the basis for a mode of production. Now does > anyone argue that the mode in Ukraine differs from that of Russia" > > No, quite right, it isn't. So, in that sense, let's say the parallel I was > making to Cuba and the missile crisis etc was not entirely accurate. > However, I also made a comparison to a hypothetical case of France trying > to reinvade Algeria and annex part of its coastline. And I think that's > where we disagree. For you, the "proxyists" and "self-determinationists" > and everyone else are equally non-Marxist because they are not discussing > differences in the mode of production. In one respect I can say that I > disagree, but can respect the consistency of your approach. The problem I > have though is, how consistent is it? In theory, it abolishes the right of > self-determination in every case where both sides are capitalist. But I > doubt that is your absolute opinion. What would you say about my Algeria > hypothetical? In 2003, was the mode of production different in the US and > Iraq? And so on. > > It may be that you have reasons to see the Ukraine case as different to > those two cases. That is fine, and I'm happy to hear the argument. But what > it means is that the absolutism of your statement does not apply in all > cases. > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 4:14 PM sartesian via groups.io <sartesian= > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, I'll jump in for a chance at a share of abuse. A Marxist analysis >> begins with the examination of the social condition of labor that is the >> basis for a mode of production. Now does anyone argue that the mode in >> Ukraine differs from that of Russia? That Russia's mode is substantively >> different from that of the US? The argument among the >> self-determination-ists, proxy=ists, geopolitical=ists, bi, or >> multi-polar-ists, anti-imperial hegemon-ists dispense with this core to >> Marxism. >> >> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#34563): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/34563 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/110506717/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
