I'm not certain of the extent of the physical and digital collections at the 
Magnes Museum, but I image that regardless of the size, they are using some 
sort of CIS to keep track of it all. For smaller museums it is not always 
immediately cost effective to scan at the highest possible pixel count when 
your current intended use requires much lower. However, there is a looming 
management problem when one assumes they can always rescan again and again as 
the need arises. Every time a new scan is made, the management problem 
escalates. How much extra time and effort will it cost the data manager keep 
track of all these versions of the same physical asset? The additional storage 
space to house the 300 dpi version, the 600dpi, the 1200dpi version, each with 
their own unique set of technical and administrative metadata? If the 300 dpi 
image is posted online to satisfy the initial need to make it immediately 
accessible to the public, then it is the responsibility of the data/CIS manager 
to keep track of that version of the file. If the original object/document was 
then rescanned at a higher pixel count to accommodate a scientific request, 
that too must be maintained. Rescanned again for a publication request, and 
consequently another derivative - technically superior but no more or less 
important than the original scan. 

Getting the 'image out there' to the public generates interest (we all hope) 
and leads to greater use. By placing it on the web, you are inevitably leading 
the way to additional uses beyond the original (access) and that will almost 
certainly require rescanning at higher pixels within a relatively short time 
period. While I'm not arguing that every slip of paper needs a 100mb image 
file, however, some forethought might alleviate the need to generate, maintain 
and manage more versions of an image than you would otherwise have to or want 
to deal with. It's not just the cost of storage or cents per scanned page that 
needs to be taken into account, the long term cost of management must be 
considered as well - both in terms of time and money.

Just my 2-cents,

 -Rebecca Snyder, NMNH Informatics


>>> "Louise Renaud" <Louise.Renaud at civilisations.ca> 1/8/2008 6:34 PM>>>
When dealing with scanned images, I find quite inspiring the new approach taken 
by RLG Programs and OCLC about Quantity vs Quality & Access vs Preservation. 

However, working for an Institution where the photo collection is also 
comprised of an overwhelming quantity of photos taken during Museum events or 
field work record documentation, I would be interested to know how others are 
dealing with the triage of any huge incoming quantity of unique "born digital" 
assets.  

In such case, one could say that the statement Quantity vs Quality morphs into 
Quantity vs Preservation.

Currently the Museum, through initial review, secures Copyright ownership - 
keeping only appropriate images. The Museum also deletes poor quality photos 
and assesses the importance of the deposit itself ensuring that it is in 
accordance with its mandate. These actions reduce the quantity per se but the 
number of individual photos can still be quite significant.  

Should other institutions be dealing with similar challenges and if some triage 
principles/rules could be shared, this would help us greatly. 
Thank you. 

Louise Renaud
Manager, photos and copyright
Library, Archives and Documentation Services (LADS)
Canadian Museum of Civilization
100, rue Laurier Street, Gatineau, QC  K1A 0M8
T?l: 819-776-8237  fax: 819-776-8491
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Nik Honeysett
Sent: 8 janvier 2008 16:40
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Archive materials - image sizes?

Bravo to Sam (the man with the longest title in Museum Technology) for 
questioning time honored advice. (Hmm... Time honored?). There are other areas 
where this thinking is being applied very productively, for example in software 
and website development.
 
I know this topic has come up before, but I'm concerned by the "do it once, 
burn to DVD, never have to do it again" philosophy. Life expectancy for this 
media is not in the "never" range. If you are on a digitization initiative and 
buying large quantities of low quality media you should be wary of the life 
expectancy of your archive. You may _have_ to rescan or at least transfer to 
different media stock. In that regard a more appropriate resolution based on 
your institution's short- to mid- term needs (5-10 years?) may be appropriate.
 
Storage is cheap, but this compounds the problem. Bigger, faster, cheaper means 
that you put more of your digital eggs in one media basket. If one out of 10 
DVDs fail, you loose 100 tiffs, if one out 10 HD-DVDs fail, you loose 1,000 
tiffs.
 
-nik

>>> "Waibel,Guenter" <waibelg at oclc.org> 1/8/2008 9:37 AM >>>
Hi Perian,

A lot of the responses you've received so far have advised you to go for higher 
resolution. I belief that this advice may make sense in certain circumstances 
(for example, original art, fragile materials or small high-value collections), 
but the situation you're describing is different ("the documents aren't 
"precious"). I'd encourage you to weigh the intended use of the material in 
making your decision. The advice you received was accurate if your main goal is 
preservation, but that's not what your post led me to believe. If your main 
goal is increased access to as many items in your collection as fast as 
possible, I think a different approach may be more suitable.

For those of you who will be surprised to hear me say this... Sam Quigley gave 
an inspiring talk at an SAA preconference RLG Programs organized in Chicago 
'07, during which he began to question the time-honored advice of "do it once 
for all time," and argued that a model of rapid digitization for access may be 
just as valid to make museum collections available as quickly as possible. It 
made me (and some of my colleagues) refine our positions when it comes to 
digitization. Since I don't want to put words in Sam's mouth any more than I've 
already done (I suspect he's reading this!), you can listen to his talk at 
http://www.oclc.org/programs/events/2007-08-29.htm.

Some of my colleagues who were involved in organizing this event put together a 
provocative essay called "Shifting Gears," summarizing some of the 
forward-looking ideas discussed during the event Sam spoke at - the end result 
is very much aimed at the archival community, but worth considering in this 
context as well. You'll find it at 
http://www.oclc.org/programs/publications/reports/2007-02.pdf. Here's a 
pertinent excerpt:

"Many of our digital initiatives have stressed the importance of preservation, 
leaving access as an afterthought (the idea being if you capture 
preservation-quality; you can always derive an access copy). In reality, due to 
the very special nature of these often unique materials, we will always 
preserve the  originals to the best of our ability. In light of recent programs 
for the mass digitization of books, if special collections and their funding 
continue to be  marginalized, our administrations may not keep us around to 
attend to the originals.

In the past, we've soothed our doubts by repeating the mantra, "we'll only get 
one chance to do it, so it's got to be done right." Experience has shown that 
that is not in fact the case. Often we do go back when the technology improves 
or when we better understand our users' needs. We need to put on our helmets 
now and go for the biggest bang for the buck in terms of access."

Cheers,
G?nter

***

G?nter Waibel
RLG Programs, OCLC
voice: +1-650-287-2144
G?nter blogs at ... http://www.hangingtogether.org 




-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Perian Sully
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:24 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Archive materials - image sizes?

Hi all:

We're currently having a debate about the appropriate scanned image sizes for 
archival documents. Our scanner doesn't scan into RAW, so we're batting back 
and forth whether to save the master TIFFs as 600 or 300 dpi. 

On the 300 side:
1) many of our archival materials were already scanned at 300 dpi (that being 
the original size I designated, but we've a long way to go yet) 
2) the majority of our reproduction requests are for 300 dpi JPG
3) storage space concerns
4) archive materials are mostly documents and don't necessarily need 600 dpi 
treatment
5) since the documents aren't "precious" like the 3D materials and photographs, 
we can go back and rescan if we really need a 600 dpi JPG (ie. handling 
concerns aren't as great)

On the 600 side:
1) scan once and be done with it
2) we do sometimes receive 600 dpi JPG requests
3) storage is cheap
4) make sure the master TIFF is as high as quality as possible, since we don't 
have RAW to fall back upon

We're also thinking about scanning the documents at 300 dpi, and photographs 
and 3D materials in 600.

What do other institutions do? Any best practices we should fall back upon here?

Thanks in advance!

Perian Sully
Collection Information and New Media Coordinator
Judah L. Magnes Museum
2911 Russell St.
Berkeley, CA 94705
510-549-6950 x 335
http://www.magnes.org 
Contributor, http://www.musematic.org 

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