Ahh the old "Loud pipes save lives" argument. I've read some interesting studies that indicate this to be at best misleading and at worst absolute hogwash. The basic gist as I understand it is that because the sound is non-directional and because cars are so well sound-proofed that the loudness sort of blends in with everyday noises and doesn't help. Worse yet people can be distracted from putting on their makeup or their cellphone conversation and actually crash INTO bikes as they look around for where the sound is coming from. Plus some people will get angered by the noise and their already shoddy driving skills will get even worse possibly causing accidents around the motorcycle that might not actually include the motorcycle itself. Then add that the typical loud bike is a Harley and not as manuverable as a "real" (notice the quotes, I'm not looking for flames on that one) sport bike, and many Harley riders are not "serious" (those quotes again, on this one I mean the doctors, lawyers and other "prestige Harley riders") riders and as such will have an ego that doesn't keep them in a safe defensive driving posture thereby raising the danger statistic for "loud" bikes. I find 'em annoying and rude, esp at 6am when somebody cranks one up and I'm trying to sleep. Probably its not as much the bike's fault as the hillscroggin mouth breather that only thinks about how cool he thinks he is... -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:23:38 -0800 From: "Tim C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who fail to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there. A friend had an obnoxiously loud bike (he bought it that way, wasn't trying to say "look at me") could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars stayed away from him, even moving to the other side of their lane as he passed. I know if I rode a bike, I'd want that kind of situation - not being seen usually has disastrous results when you don't have a frame around you. T --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 26 16:52:43 2006 Received: from web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.31]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F2AMT-0004dA-0G for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:52:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 93226 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2006 16:52:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iC7nA/GsRhT+nYcD2RGbpanQSATdhbXfnjdxnVh9ir0fp2L6DQ6xR/6Vvq9oqj+hDuhF0Hik9iQm4K5N/g1XGrDMy+FZjY0YnnDTp/GruWDSd5olPs/L1hm9Km7v08cPxK5wEp4owuvgXuPmHmqCtowZd+OGp10FLIconnrovxY= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:52:35 PST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crosswind X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:52:43 -0000 They tried this on the first season of Mythbusters with, I think, a Dodge Stratos. They couldn't do it but they couldn't get an actual plane to test with, only some stationary engines. -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:26:37 -0800 From: "Tim C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crosswind To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, when I was at Boeing there was a video on flightline safety - showed this but with a work van (IIRC) - idea being don't drive around the back of the plane. T > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:32 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Crosswind > > > wow > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1309610693318372088 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 26 16:53:32 2006 Received: from smtp2.williams.com ([151.142.221.60]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F2ANH-0004g7-1O for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:53:31 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmshoubh01.WILLIAMS.COM) ([172.31.6.11]) by smtp2.williams.com with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2006 10:53:17 -0600 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,221,1136181600"; d="scan'208"; a="32070678:sNHT41647648" Received: from wmshoumb01.WILLIAMS.COM ([172.31.41.244]) by wmshoubh01.WILLIAMS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:53:29 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:53:29 -0600 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MBZ] OT: Genset Thread-Index: AcYila+wPKnzCM3wSyKvfCC/eikungAAUOYg From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 16:53:29.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D11A60:01C62299] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:53:32 -0000 I have been researching getting a backup generator. I have decided that propane is the best fuel source for me. During hurricane Rita, we in Houston were not only without power; we could not purchase gas (or diesel). I have a ready supply of natural gas to my house into which I can tap. I really like Jim's setup. It would work great for me. Now I just have to find the old, reliable generator set. Like Jim, most of the ones that I find are too far away or cost too much. However, I will prevail eventually. BTW, I have a gas-driven (Onan) welder on one of my work trucks that can provide emergency power for a short while (until the fuel supply is exhausted). Tom Potter -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset The other thing that I would say is that is a really cool generator. I too worry a bit about significant power failures and have acquired a generator but mine is just a wimpy little 7K machine with a B&S gas motor. If I had room to store the thing, I would cheerfully acquire something like yours. I like the ones powered by the Lister style diesel even better. Randy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset > Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really > cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim _______________________________________ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _______________________________________ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net