Yeah, so what?Sure maybe the climate is warming, but we've been coming out of
an ice age for a couple thousand years right? Isn't global warming actually
NORMAL in the age of human experience? The temperature record goes back to the
late 1800s but the last ice age ended around 11,000 years ago. Haven't we been
steadily warming since then?
Seems like its a big ask to prove that humans are making the planet warm up
when it was doing it anyway.
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
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Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about
climate change?
Which was clearly off point. The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD
depends on climate norms have had to adjust their planting schedules due to a
major shift in climate trends - a large increase in temperatures. These aren't
liberals or tree huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.
They have credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because
it affects their income. If you fail to see this then you are like the
figurative man pretending to be asleep.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
I was merely pointing out how effective government is at dealing with farmers...
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about
climate change?
Hey, I don't have to defend everythjing that ever happened in Africa. if you
want to change the topic change the subject line. Sheesh
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns out
they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states promptly
squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the farms owned
by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the breadbasket of
Africa and ruined it...
-Curt
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Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about
climate change?
You could be right.
I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something along
those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the big
rubber plantations.
In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the country for
several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated and used as cheap
labor, as that was what the British were really good at doing. Agriculture was
the big thing there, and the colonialists had these massive, sprawling farms
all over the place. We had a bunch of customers there who grew tobacco in
quantities that were simply staggering.
Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough, and
pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging, etc., and
returning their rightful lands back to themselves.
Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and dismantled the
economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went into the toilet.
This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad that
pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.
Victoria Falls is nice, however.
Dan
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> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about
> climate change?
>
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked
>> so well...
>> -Curt
>>
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