Hi Andi & Nadeen
But Naveen, someone has to speak for the meteorites. They are truly
what appear to be world class specimens. To say anything less of them
doesn't sit right with me as a reason for the return. Why a return
deal cannot be worked out I haven't a clue - it smells too much like
the dealer wars with which we are all familiar, and the dark side of
this incredibly fulfilling avocation. The IMCA quotations seemed to
indicate that the parties were unwilling to negotiate anything.
Zilcho. If you had the no-question returns' clause I completely agree
with you.
I did notice that some of the material in question might have been
secured by the sellers, if I recall, at the time, in a shrewd race with
other prominent and respected dealers that were incensed to have lost
first dibbs on that fantastic material. So it is starting to sound to
me like payback time in a very different vein. What will really be a
tragedy here is if both sides simply were not on the same wavelength
regarding the terms of the deal. It has happened before. I would not
mess with Naveen. I would work something out with him, even if it put
me at a hardship and don't we all wish we could wind the clock back and
be sure no deal were made.
Andi you are absolutely right about cherry picking returns of package
deals. But wait, ... we also need to note that Naveen ramped up the
demand for a full refund for everything ... and that raises the stakes
and eliminates this objection. I still can't believe these guys would
sell themselves out, to me it is unthinkable. Other dealers may be
quick to take advantage of such a situation, in fact I would too if
becoming an indentured servant to transfer those lunar gems into my
possession were possible ;-).
The only clue I picked up is from Naveen's information about the refund
request denial - something along the lines that he wasn't a simple
collector but rather a business. The email that was submitted
referring to refund policy seems damning if true, but, we lack the
context. If I follow that line of reasoning, and speculate at face
value, it would suggest to me that the guys viewed the deal as
dealer-to-dealer or dealer-to-professional for whatever reason, where
the refund rules are usually quite different.
Only the unbiased terms between the parties can speak for themselves,
and personally I think the Europeans are outflanked by their American
colleagues in some aspects when it comes to such boxing matches and I
wish the sellers the best as well as meeting their obligations,
whatever those were specific to this transaction. I am still wondering
if there is a cash flow crunch caused by sending money to Morocco to
release the stones and causing insolvency.
Stranger things have happened and who am I to say: the point is that
there is a dispute. We've only heard one side of the dispute,
including the interpretation of the vote. This entire situation is
terrible for the meteorite community - that is what I feel.
The IMCA vote doesn't seem to question authenticity, not quality, and
details are not complete as a board member posted. It does say that
the members were pressured to negotiate and then resigned instead. It
doesn't say that they were kicked-out, though it certainly looks like
some pressure was put upon them to do more than they were willing or
able.
Kindest wishes
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Gren <i...@meteoritenhaus.de>
To: 'Mark's Meteorites' <m...@meteorites.cc>
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 2, 2011 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged "illegal" behaviour
Hi Mark,
you wrote,
...
Nonetheless - as Farmer says, either they did or they didn't refuse to
refund. IF they didn't (minus a reasonable handling deduction) then
they're
in the wrong.<
It's not necessarily that easy , if you arrange a deal with two
centrepieces
and some by-catch and the seller has reduced the prices of the by-catch
dramatically to offer an interesting total; to give back the two
centrepieces and ask for money back could be a misuse of any give back
agreements
Please note, I used the terms if and could, I'm just speculating.
Best greetings
Andi
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
Mark's
Meteorites
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. August 2011 18:05
An: Matthias Bärmann
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; nav...@intelius.com;
'MexicoDoug'
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged "illegal" behaviour
To me it sounds like someone has, at best, been naive and not done their
homework. Caveat emptor applies when you're buying a pint of milk; it
certainly applies if you're ponying up a quarter million bucks.
A quarter million dollars on something, mail order, for something only
viewed in photographs? For real?
I think that this discussion should make people think carefully about
their
deals - both from whom they buy, and to whom they sell.
Nonetheless - as Farmer says, either they did or they didn't refuse to
refund. IF they didn't (minus a reasonable handling deduction) then
they're
in the wrong.
Mark
On 2 Aug 2011, at 15:19, Matthias Bärmann wrote:
Mr. Jain wrote:
"I am very new to the meteorite collection" ...
"3 days learning about meteorites and their classification" (...)
He also wrote:
"I also did a bit of research on them and was not thrilled with their
quality."
"I wanted to return Lunar Kreep because it just doesnâ.˙t look right
to
me" (...)
"makes me think that what they sold me are either fakes or very low
quality stuff" (...)
Sounds somehow strange, no?
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