The fun value is one thing, but it takes the better part of a day to 
start with components and build a system.  If the builder is making 
$50,000 per year, one days pay for him is half the price of the average 
new system.

Mark Wallace
60 Delaware Road
Newburgh, New York 12550-3802
Telephone: (845) 566-0586

I  can get your visa application ready to file in two weeks (except for 
required documents) for $699.  It will take you a lot longer to do it 
yourself and the applicant won't be a resident of Canada until you do. 
You might also make a dumb mistake!  (All services will be for free 
until I get my license!)

Anthony Parks wrote:
> id have to strongly disagree with the sentiment that a prebuilt is better.
> perhaps if it is built with a linux distro preinstalled, but wheres the fun
> in that?! my advice would just be to read the newegg reviews and google
> every piece of hardware you consider to see how it works with whichever your
> preferred distro is. more than likely this will get you a fully functioning
> high power system. i would think this could be done for under $850 including
> a 22" lcd monitor, that is, if the parts are all bought from newegg.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Jay Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Mark Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I disagree on hardware.  My computer, A Presario, has a bios that does
>>> kernel panic over apic when you try to install.  Koppix aborts
>>> altogether, and it gives several other distros fits.  Compaq says that
>>> it updated the bios when they did a warranty servicing a couple of
>>> months ago.  Be sure that what you buy doesn't count on using a win
>>> modem either,  it might not even work for faxes, so using broadband won'
>>> completely solve your problem.
>>> Ubuntu tells you why it is having kernel panic, but doesn't tell you how
>>> to fix it.
>>>
>>> Mandriva installs well, but I feel sorry for a newbie.  I once saw an
>>> old pro spend a week trying to get a win modem to work with Red Hat
>> 7.3!!!
>>> Don't go to Tiger Direct, either.  They once sold me a barebone kit with
>>> the memory sticks incompatible with the rest of the kit.
>>>
>>> Mark Wallace
>>>
>> Sensitive readers should find a commercial for the next minute or two.
>>
>> You  aren't helping yourself here.  A Presario is, a prebuilt Compaq,
>> right?  So putting aside how terrible Compaq is, buying a prebuilt didn't
>> help you at all.  You bought prebuilt because "the manufacturer has
>> already
>> figured out what hardware is compatible with what" and it didn't work!
>> Didn't really get the intended result there.
>>
>> The winmodem thing is equally useless.  I realize I'm gonna get the "we
>> can't all afford broadband, and some people live where you can't get it"
>> thing, but that argument gets less relevant by the minute, and I don't
>> believe it applies to the original poster.  Correct me if I'm wrong, John.
>> And faxes?  I've used a fax machine twice in my life, never on the
>> receiving
>> end, and there are services that convert emailed pdfs and documents to a
>> fax
>> and send them for you.
>>
>> And on top of all that, let's pretend that having the right modem is
>> important.  How on earth does that make buying a prebuilt machine better?!
>> If you really really need to have a modem that works in Linux, wouldn't
>> you
>> rather buy the right modem separately and install it yourself?  You are
>> making my point for me, in a very awkward way.
>>
>> -Jay
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