I'm guessing you and Tim mean pilot bearing.
 

Bill Cardell 
TurboDog's Dad 
www.flyinmiata.com 
1-800-FLY-MX5S (sales) 
970-242-3800 (tech) 
2008 FM Open House: August 14-17 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Alster
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:43 PM
To: 'Steve Willington'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Clutch problems



See as you mention it’s been like this since you did the clutch I think 
something is wrong inside the housing.

 

Fork pivot ball

Throwout bearing placement

Fork itself

 

Pretty much sounds like you need to take it down and look it over.

 

 

 

Larry
 
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Silver Bullet        1992 Silverstone     #17 SM2  FM I+ Turbo
Honey B             1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L  JR Supercharger
Whooosh           2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
 
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RAGS 074

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Willington
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Clutch problems

 

Update on this - and request for ideas.

Finally managed to get a day free and spent an hour or so having a go at 
solving this. 

To date I've now replaced the slave and master cylinders. I've also tried 
setting the peddle engagement and height twice, once just engaging off the 
floor and now engaging about an inch off the floor. The peddle push rod has 
some slack in it when the peddle is raised and I can also push the slave 
cylinder push rod in by hand, again when the peddle is up. No notable change - 
still refuses to occasionally go into gear, most often when cold.

I'll try setting the engagement somewhere in between on Sunday - say 1/2" off 
the ground, but I am not hopeful. 

It's been suggested it may be a failed pilot bearing (although this was new 
when the clutch/flywheel went in about 1000 - 1500 miles ago), so the next step 
I guess will be to pull the tranny and take a look inside, but in the mean time 
I would be grateful of any suggestions/ideas as to what it may be or where to 
look. 

 

Steve.
www.slowmx5.com

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Ray Ayala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Steve Willington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, 30 March, 2008 2:59:11 AM
Subject: Re: Clutch problems

 

With my prototype ACT clutch I had to reduce the free play to about 1/32 inch 
and even then it engaged with the pedal 1/2 inch off the floor.

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Steve Willington <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

        To: [email protected] 

        Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:00 PM

        Subject: Re: Clutch problems

         

        OK, had a look at the clutch free play - about 1/3 of an inch. Should 
be OK - might even have a little more there to play with?
        
        The other thing I have discovered, among the grease, is a small amount 
of hydraulic fluid below the push rod. At least it has the consistency of 
hydraulic fluid and not grease. Now it has not been enough to notice any loss 
at the reservoir but given my very, very low engagement point it could be 
enough????? New master cylinder?

         

        Steve.
        www.slowmx5.com 

         

        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Steve Willington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        To: Ray Ayala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
        Sent: Saturday, 29 March, 2008 9:38:52 PM
        Subject: Re: Clutch problems

        I guess I should check this again. The peddle should have a small 
amount of free play indicating that there is slack between the push rod and 
master cylinder, yes? 

         

        Steve.
        www.slowmx5.com 

         

        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Ray Ayala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        To: Steve Willington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
        Sent: Saturday, 29 March, 2008 9:05:31 PM
        Subject: Re: Clutch problems
        
         

        Perhaps you've already adjusted your pedal pushrod too far and the 
master isn't refilling properly when you let the pedal up.  There should be a 
small but greater-than-zero gap between the pedal pushrod and the master cyl 
when the pedal is all the way up ... at all temperatures.

                ----- Original Message ----- 

                From: Steve Willington <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

                To: Ray Ayala <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ; 
[email protected] 

                Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:54 PM

                Subject: Re: Clutch problems

                 

                I sorta guessed that and is the reason I went with the shorter 
new rod. Still was hoping it might be a quick fix to give me more peddle travel.
                
                How much adjustment is there in the MX5 hydraulic system? How 
will I know when I have adjusted it too far?
                
                BTW could there be anything mechanically wrong to give me these 
issues? Perhaps I am concentrating on the hydraulic system and should be 
looking elsewhere?

                 

                Steve.
                www.slowmx5.com 

                 

                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Ray Ayala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                To: Steve Willington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
[email protected]
                Sent: Saturday, 29 March, 2008 5:15:24 PM
                Subject: Re: Clutch problems
                
                 

                Push rod length is immaterial unless there is a gap at the end 
of the push rod when at rest.  A slightly smaller bore in the slave or a 
slightly larger bore in the master will improve the situation.  Note that new 
cylinders tend to have a smaller bore and rebuilt ones tend to have a larger 
bore.  You might want to take your master cylinder to a shop to have the bore 
enlarged but if you over-do it the slave piston may extend too much and 
possibly even eject from its bore.

                        ----- Original Message ----- 

                        From: Steve Willington <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

                        To: [email protected] 

                        Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:10 AM

                        Subject: Clutch problems

                         

                        All,
                        
                        Looking for ideas on a clutch problem I'm having. I 
installed a new clutch assembly and flywheel a wheel a few months back. 
Initially it would not disengage properly at all but after breaking it in it 
got a lot better - but it still dis-engages just off the floor (lower than my 
ACT xtreme). Just recently it has occasionally refused to let me put the car 
into gear at all, especially when cold. It also seems to get a little worse the 
longer the clutch is down (although it bits practically on the floor so any 
change is noticeable).
                        
                        I changed the slave cylinder today to see if this would 
help - and it has made no difference, if anything, made things a little worse. 
On installing I noticed that the new slave cylinder 'push rod' is a little 
shorter than the original, by about 3 or 4mm (i.e. the distance between 
contacting the slave cylinders piston and the point the rod contacts the clutch 
release fork). Would installing the slightly longer rod give me more peddle 
travel/adjustment?
                        
                        Would replacing the master cylinder help at all? 
Anything else I can try? The peddle has been adjusted as far as it can be.

                         

                        Steve.
                        www.slowmx5.com 

                         

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