Jim,

Don't get me wrong. I tend to be a very green person. (I save my old QuikTrip cups and take them into the store to use again when I get a soda.) I don't own any gas guzzling cars. I keep the A/C at 82 and the heat at 65 day and 55 night.

At the same time, I have a MS in chemical engineering and believe I am more qualified than some (and much less qualified than others!) to separate fact from fancy regarding ethanol's energy balance. Moreoever, I was around for the first time ethanol made promises it couldn't keep back during the 70s oil shock. It was, in fact, a major research project of one of my professors.

Regarding the link you provided.... Kudos to them for co-locating an ethanol plant with a stockyard. (But wow the smell would be even worse!). Grabbing the methane from the stockyards is a very green and possibly even becoming cost effective, but I don't think it is "good science" to subtract that energy from the corn ethanol energy calculation. While there are certain overall transportation/processing efficiencies, the fact remains that the methane production is completely independent of the ethanol production. Put another way, a) the manure would produce methane even if there were no ethanol co-products in the cattle feed and b) the methane -- however produced -- could be utilized for any heating/energy purpose. Hence it is no more appropriate to delete that energy from the balance than it is to delete other energies utilized in ethanol production such as electricity LPG, etc.

M.

These "scientists" are obviously not familiar with:
<http://www.e3biofuels.com>www.e3biofuels.com

Jim in Tucson
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