There's lot's of green emphasis on automobile usage but I never hear anybody mention the warming that's caused directly and immediately by air conditioner usage. I guess that might be a less popular subject with the voting public. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Cooper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: NMC, NPC; E85 article
This is correct.. Rome rose to it's zenith right in the heart of the last warming spell... Actually much much warmer then it is today. Also worth mentioning. Measurement sites (ground sites) within the US (world?) are typically located in large metro areas. These areas have a bubble eco system which is markedly different from the surrounding rural areas. I live 25 miles north of Raleigh, NC. I see up to a 10 degree (typically 5-6 degrees cooler) difference in temperatures moving from downtown to where I live in rural Granville county. I mentioned it to friends and they see the same phenomena. How do I measure this? I use my Nissan Maxima external dynamic thermometer. Probably not scientifically calibrated but it is accurate enough to show trends. One other note about ground temperature sites... check out this web site and draw your own conclusions about surface station accuracy. http://www.surfacestations.org/ Jason C wrote: Historically periods of warming have always been accompanied by periods of prosperity. The price of wheat has a very strong correlation with the sunspot cycles. I reckon warming overall is good for the world economy, and cooling bad. If in the next few years the warming trend is totally gone, watch the Warming Alarmists do a song and dance about CO2. Like I said, Svensmark's book shows how the warming is much, much better explained by the sun's heliosphere, than CO2. IOW CO2 has a minor, if not nearly non-existent, effect. Anyone who studies GW without reading Svensmark, is doing himself a disservice. --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Murray, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Murray, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: NMC, NPC; E85 article To: "Sonny Tu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:06 PM Well, I guess if you go over a cliff at 50MPH you might be just as dead as if you went over at 100MPH, but I would just as soon get to the cliff as late as possible. After all the histrionics are vented, the biggest problem is the uncertainty of what the climate will be like. There will be winners and losers, but nobody really knows who they will be. I can probably live without polar bears, but I would not like to deal, or have my children, deal with the quick release into the atmosphere of all those methane hydrates that are currently locked in the northern tundra. There may, or may not, be a tipping point where the changes will occur too fast for even humans to adapt. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sonny Tu Sent: Friday, 08 August, 2008 14:30 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: NMC, NPC; E85 article You mean we don't also cause sunspots??? I'll bet Al Gore sees it differently. (Tongue in cheek.) As I understand it, the earth has gone through a number of cycles causing major changes in the climate. None of them were attributable to human influence. While I don't doubt we now have an influence climactically on our planet, global warming is a phenomenon that's happened numerous times in the past without human influence. We might be speeding it up slightly but who is to say it wouldn't be happening even without our interf erence? Earth's history is clear in that it HAS happened in the past a number of times already. Vulconism, ocean currents & the sun exert far more effect on the climate than mere mortals. Again, I'm not saying we don't have an effect on our climate, but I think the claims & theories are blown way out of proportion. And yes, while it might not be a good idea to floor the accelerator if your brakes fail while going downhill, who is to say you won't just pick up speed from the effects of gravity? IOW, who is to say this current change in our climate wasn't already happening & the earth was just going about it's normal cyclic change? (Albeit with a little, itty-bitty tiny amount of help from humans.) Regards, Sonny If everything is coming your way, You're in the wrong lane!!! http://www.sonny2.com _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman /listinfo/miatapower ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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