RE: Elvis and his big wheels!!I got the front liners out of the way by wearing through them. When I initially setup my suspension with my home made shock tops I set the car down with no springs to check clearance. I had 205/50/15 tires at that time. the rear was tight and the front required some hard spacers to the bump stops to keep the tires from hitting metal The 225/50/15's rub but it's only on hard compression corners 225/45/15 are fine. I don't think I checked how close the A-arms were to binding against the frame. I ended up having to go to 8" tall 350# springs in the rear to keep them from coil binding though, 7" were binding. The added travel completely transformed the car flying over crests and into banked G-out corners the suspension would continue to work and keep the car connected to the ground.
Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Tanner To: Bob Bundy ; Bill Cardell ; Skip Cannon ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Elvis and his big wheels!! Bill's right, nothing has more bump travel than the AFCOs. If you go further, your rear control arms hit the frame :) In the front, the bump limit is where a set of 23" tires will hit the fender liners. That's the cool thing about being able to design the whole shock setup from scratch, you can define your limits and then design components to reach those limits. We're doing this the smart way. The car is up on the lift with the shocks and bumpstops installed but no springs. This lets us run the wheels through the full range of motion. The NB rear fenders do have more rear room in them, and we have previous experience from running 245/45-16 tires on a +43 wheel to help out. I have had to move part of the inner wheel well on the right rear as mentioned, there was severe interference there. If there's a clearance problem at the top of the travel - the most difficult aspect to check in the rear - I'll make room there as well. It's only metal! In the front, the interference is with the plastic fender liner. The front liners will have to be rebuilt thanks to the rolling of the lips anyhow. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Bob Bundy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sat 2/14/2009 3:17 PM To: Bill Cardell; Skip Cannon; [email protected]; [email protected]; Keith Tanner Subject: Re: Elvis and his big wheels!! MessageNotice the small rub mark towards the inboard side of the rear fender? Any further inboard results in a huge loss of radial clearance in this area. Rubbing would be drastically increased with higher offset in this case. Similar situation in the front you loose radial clearance as you get closer to the shock top mounting area up next to the outer fender lip there is greater radial clearance. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Cardell To: Bob Bundy ; Skip Cannon ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Keith Tanner Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: RE: Elvis and his big wheels!! PS, in your last picture, higher offset would have been your friend. Bill Cardell TurboDog's Dad www.flyinmiata.com www.fmwestfield.com Sales 1-800-359-6957 Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Bob Bundy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:20 PM To: Skip Cannon; [email protected]; [email protected]; Bill Cardell; Keith Tanner Subject: Re: Elvis and his big wheels!! You guys must not be using as much bump travel as I am. Pictures of my inner fender rub marks with 225/50/15 mounted with 30 offset. no fender lip rub with rolled fenders but the top of the fender well rubs enough I wouldnt want to go any bigger diameter both front and rear. These tires ar 23.8" in diameter, 225/40/16 are smaller at 23.1" stock diameter is more like 22.7. Elvis will have 25" diameter tires. My suspension has 550# front 350# rear revalved Koni Yellow and custom made shock tops that are made from NB mounts but have more bump travel than other NB shock top conversions because they utilize sherical ball setup rather than rubber bumpers and washers to secure the the top of the shock rod. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Cannon To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: RE: Elvis and his big wheels!! I've been running 225/40-16 tires on my lowered '92 for years with no rubbing or other problems. The wheel offset is either 43 or 45, I can't recall which at the moment. Skip -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Cardell Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:13 PM To: Bob Bundy; [email protected]; Keith Tanner Subject: RE: Elvis and his big wheels!! What offset did you use, Bob? TurboDog's Dad Bill Cardell www.flyinmiata.com 1-800-FLY-MX5S 970-464-5600 tech support Don't miss our Open House! August 14-17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Bundy Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:46 PM To: [email protected]; Keith Tanner Subject: Re: Elvis and his big wheels!! Wow when I put the 225/50/15 tires on I have rub marks on the top of the inner fender both front and rear rubber to metal at full bump. Id have to loose bump travel or tub the fenders front and rear to go any bigger diameter tires rolling the lips doesn't help that. Maybe my custom shock tops give more bump travel than anybody else or something. Its a 90 with Koni sports and custom spherical ball shock tops made from NB tops it has more bump travel than Fat Cat. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Tanner To: Kandasamy, Thuwaragan ; Miata Power List Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Elvis and his big wheels!! The car hasn't been back on the suspension with this setup yet, I'm still in the middle of completing the work. Tire sizes are 235/45-17 front, 255/40-17 rear, on +45mm wheels. I've got the springs off so we can run the suspension through the full range of travel. All four fenders have been rolled but not pulled out much. On the right rear, I had to cut out part of the battery box and move it back to clear the tire. Left rear was almost perfect out of the box. We still have some interference between the sway bar and tire in the front when we try to wind on some steering lock. In the other direction, the tire goes into the control arm just barely at maximum lock. I suspect that with an MSM steering rack the latter problem would be solved. I'm going to see how it drives right now, then probably do some work to increase the sway bar clearance. Thanks to the V8 conversion, Elvis' front sway is further forward and this is not ideal for tire clearance. Keith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of Kandasamy, Thuwaragan Sent: Fri 2/13/2009 9:43 AM To: Miata Power List Subject: Elvis and his big wheels!! Bill and Keith, What all did you guys do to fit those massive meats under the fenders? I know when I threw the 245\40\17 on 17x8 with +36mm offset, I had to pull the fenders out ... but I still have rubbing issues with the Aero kit's side skirts ... and the setup that Elvis has is almost 8mm bigger in diameter. Just wondering if your setup rubs against body while taking corners or driving through lil potholes? 245\35\17 tires are kinda rare to come by cause Goodyear stopped making em. :-( The fronts on mine are 215\45\17 on 17x7 with +40mm offset and I don't really have any rubbing issues, just the rears are being a PITA. -Thuwa ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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