Hey Willy, A small point but a valid one I think. I would say that it is not religion it self that does stuff like this, but people using religion as both carrot and stick. So I would amend your statement and say instead, that's the problem I have with unscrupulous people too.
Of course that is what I would do, you, well you make your own mind up. On 13 Jan, 17:20, "willy minnen" <[email protected]> wrote: > Right, Chris, that's the problem I have with religions too. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Jenkins > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:21 PM > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Two questions > > Gentlemen, you are confusing the forest for the trees. It's not the > existence of said deity which are the proven lies. It is the actions, > "will", "blessings", and "curses" of said deity that the lies are so often > centered around. > > Examples: > > Our Hurricane Katrina was said by one such putz here to be the punishment > of God for the homosexuals here in New Orleans. > > Another has called AIDS the same. > > Many others (Benny Hinn, most famously), promise that God is waiting to > bestow magical riches on all who give their last earthly belongings to his > church. > > Science and observation has conclusively proven all three to be false. > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > And the saliant point here Chaz, is the 'telling lies' how do you know > this? How can a non belife include any sort of knowledge based > deduction? > > On 12 Jan, 23:33, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jan 12, 5:53 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yet how can a non-belife show the truth or not? > > > > I have a non belife in Russell's teapot, but because I do not belive > > > that such a thing does not exists, then there is no passion inherent > > > in my non belife. > > > > If however, I did have a belife that such a thing as Russell's > teapot > > > does not exist, then I may feel passionate enough to herangue those > > > foolish enough to belive such a thing did exist. > > > > You see what I'm saying here Chaz? > > > Not really. I am reacting to people who are telling lies. If Russell's > > teapot were nothing more than anobject in orbit around Jupiter - that > > is fine. But if the government want to raise 20 trillion dollars in > > tax to launch a mission to Jupiter to recover the bloody thing then I > > am going to get pretty angry about it. In the same way the religious > > delusion is destroying lives and harming many areas of human society. > > > > On 12 Jan, 16:03, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 12:23 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Heh well of course KC that is becuase many Athiest who proclaim > a lack > > > > > of belife in diety are basiclay lying. They instead have a > belife > > > > > that such a thing as God does not exist. This then surly > explains > > > > > their passion. > > > > > Nonsense. What make us passionate is feeling that people like you > are > > > > being duped and duping others. It is passion for truth. > > > > > > On 11 Jan, 22:54, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well Chaz, it was a reasonable question. Is it so far fetched > to be > > > > > > surprised that someone who doesn't ascribe to a certain belief > can be > > > > > > so passionate about his absence of belief? It seems counter- > > > > > > intuitive. You would imagine that people get passionate over > a > > > > > > possession of what they perceive to be "the truth", rather > than just > > > > > > an absence of belief in the proposition. Get passionate about > not > > > > > > believing that there is life on mars, for example, seems quite > silly. > > > > > > Being passionate about believing in life after death, heavenly > beings, > > > > > > salvation, little green men on mars, doesn't seem quite so out > of the > > > > > > ordinary to be passionate about. > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:48 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 6:30 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Where do Atheists find such passion? > > > > > > > > What kind of a question is that? You might as ask where do > theists get > > > > > > > their gaul from. > > > > > > > Atheists get their passion from the same place that lions > get their > > > > > > > roar from; chimps get their urge to throw bananas. We are > evolved > > > > > > > animals -get over it. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:07 am, "Ian Pollard" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Two questions I've been mulling over... > > > > > > > > > > 1. The recent atheist bus campaign in London, saw buses > with the slogan > > > > > > > > > "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy > your life." Members > > > > > > > > > of Christian Voice -- in attempt to have the adverts > removed -- have > > > > > > > > > complained to the Advertising Standards Authority about > the accuracy of this > > > > > > > > > slogan. Would it be correct for atheists to now complain > about the accuracy > > > > > > > > > of the commercial activities of Christian churches (such > as the Alpha > > > > > > > > > Course)? Or, in reality, are said atheists far too busy > arguing on Internet > > > > > > > > > forums about whether the slogan is in fact *agnostic* > and what the most > > > > > > > > > accurate meaning of the word "probably" is? > > > > > > > > > > 2. Should John Travolta be brought to trial for child > neglect following the > > > > > > > > > death of his son? Reports are claiming that his son, who > suffered from > > > > > > > > > autism, was denied prescription drugs and psychiatric > counselling for his > > > > > > > > > illness (that could have helped control his seizures) > because of his > > > > > > > > > father's Scientology beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
