Truth is not proved relative by different perspectives, only that observations are different for observers within different event horizons and observation states. My old dog would have eaten Chazwin for breakfast, but only under certain conditions. The slippery slope entered by believing truth requires human participation and then that it is only possible as human invention leads in many directions. Mussolini rather liked the notion. My dog always preferred an actual bag of cakes to a promised one.
On 13 Jan, 22:12, "willy minnen" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Lee, most of my plays are about freedom of expression. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee > To: "Minds Eye" > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:45 PM > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Two questions > > Hey Willy, > > A small point but a valid one I think. I would say that it is not > religion it self that does stuff like this, but people using religion > as both carrot and stick. So I would amend your statement and say > instead, that's the problem I have with unscrupulous people too. > > Of course that is what I would do, you, well you make your own mind > up. > > On 13 Jan, 17:20, "willy minnen" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Right, Chris, that's the problem I have with religions too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Jenkins > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:21 PM > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Two questions > > > Gentlemen, you are confusing the forest for the trees. It's not the > > existence of said deity which are the proven lies. It is the actions, > > "will", "blessings", and "curses" of said deity that the lies are so > often > > centered around. > > > Examples: > > > Our Hurricane Katrina was said by one such putz here to be the > punishment > > of God for the homosexuals here in New Orleans. > > > Another has called AIDS the same. > > > Many others (Benny Hinn, most famously), promise that God is waiting to > > bestow magical riches on all who give their last earthly belongings to > his > > church. > > > Science and observation has conclusively proven all three to be false. > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > And the saliant point here Chaz, is the 'telling lies' how do you know > > this? How can a non belife include any sort of knowledge based > > deduction? > > > On 12 Jan, 23:33, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Jan 12, 5:53 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yet how can a non-belife show the truth or not? > > > > > I have a non belife in Russell's teapot, but because I do not belive > > > > that such a thing does not exists, then there is no passion inherent > > > > in my non belife. > > > > > If however, I did have a belife that such a thing as Russell's > > teapot > > > > does not exist, then I may feel passionate enough to herangue those > > > > foolish enough to belive such a thing did exist. > > > > > You see what I'm saying here Chaz? > > > > Not really. I am reacting to people who are telling lies. If Russell's > > > teapot were nothing more than anobject in orbit around Jupiter - that > > > is fine. But if the government want to raise 20 trillion dollars in > > > tax to launch a mission to Jupiter to recover the bloody thing then I > > > am going to get pretty angry about it. In the same way the religious > > > delusion is destroying lives and harming many areas of human society. > > > > > On 12 Jan, 16:03, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 12, 12:23 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Heh well of course KC that is becuase many Athiest who proclaim > > a lack > > > > > > of belife in diety are basiclay lying. They instead have a > > belife > > > > > > that such a thing as God does not exist. This then surly > > explains > > > > > > their passion. > > > > > > Nonsense. What make us passionate is feeling that people like you > > are > > > > > being duped and duping others. It is passion for truth. > > > > > > > On 11 Jan, 22:54, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well Chaz, it was a reasonable question. Is it so far fetched > > to be > > > > > > > surprised that someone who doesn't ascribe to a certain belief > > can be > > > > > > > so passionate about his absence of belief? It seems counter- > > > > > > > intuitive. You would imagine that people get passionate over > > a > > > > > > > possession of what they perceive to be "the truth", rather > > than just > > > > > > > an absence of belief in the proposition. Get passionate about > > not > > > > > > > believing that there is life on mars, for example, seems quite > > silly. > > > > > > > Being passionate about believing in life after death, heavenly > > beings, > > > > > > > salvation, little green men on mars, doesn't seem quite so out > > of the > > > > > > > ordinary to be passionate about. > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 10:48 am, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 6:30 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Where do Atheists find such passion? > > > > > > > > > What kind of a question is that? You might as ask where do > > theists get > > > > > > > > their gaul from. > > > > > > > > Atheists get their passion from the same place that lions > > get their > > > > > > > > roar from; chimps get their urge to throw bananas. We are > > evolved > > > > > > > > animals -get over it. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:07 am, "Ian Pollard" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Two questions I've been mulling over... > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The recent atheist bus campaign in London, saw buses > > with the slogan > > > > > > > > > > "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy > > your life." Members > > > > > > > > > > of Christian Voice -- in attempt to have the adverts > > removed -- have > > > > > > > > > > complained to the Advertising Standards Authority about > > the accuracy of this > > > > > > > > > > slogan. Would it be correct for atheists to now complain > > about the accuracy > > > > > > > > > > of the commercial activities of Christian churches (such > > as the Alpha > > > > > > > > > > Course)? Or, in reality, are said atheists far too busy > > arguing on Internet > > > > > > > > > > forums about whether the slogan is in fact *agnostic* > > and what the most > > > > > > > > > > accurate meaning of the word "probably" is? > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Should John Travolta be brought to trial for child > > neglect following the > > > > > > > > > > death of his son? Reports are claiming that his son, who > > suffered from > > > > > > > > > > autism, was denied prescription drugs and psychiatric > > counselling for his > > > > > > > > > > illness (that could have helped control his seizures) > > because of his > > > > > > > > > > father's Scientology beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
