Pot, meet Kettle.
Gabbydott says:
So much for the refined art of debating on the fair grounds of
argumentation.
" Tell Saint Pat who claims "It's obvious that we don't NEED guns or
cars". Only his earthly form is so weak it prefers carrying a gun."
On 3 Feb., 15:38, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Of course. We all prefer to stay alive as long as possible. If you don't,
> you always have the ability to exercise your option to leave early.
>
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> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> So much for the refined art of debating on the fair grounds of
> argumentation.
>
> On 3 Feb., 15:38, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Of course. We all prefer to stay alive as long as possible. If you don't,
> > you always have the ability to exercise your option to leave early.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Tell Saint Pat who claims "It's obvious that we don't NEED guns or
> > > cars". Only his earthly form is so weak it prefers carrying a gun.
> >
> > > On 3 Feb., 15:02, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > What's "Alien" about this behaviour, Gabby? Human have practiced it
> since
> > > > long before we were Sapiens. Every pre-modern species of human-kind
> has
> > > > developed and carried weaponry, to the best of their technological
> > > ability.
> > > > "Alien" is the supposition we would NOT need it.
> >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Puh, Pat. You cannot deny your American upbringing. Me, myself and
> I -
> > > > > full circle. Fear is for others.
> >
> > > > > There are non-criminal people living today who really need guns.
> And
> > > > > there are non-criminal people living on this beautiful planet who
> > > > > really need cars. Let's start thinking what kinds of people these
> > > > > could be. You might find it helpful to begin with finding potential
> > > > > reasons for such alien behaviour.
> >
> > > > > On 3 Feb., 14:11, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > On 2 Feb, 17:24, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Chris,
> >
> > > > > > > I don't think it's about misperception. A car, a pool, a
> knife...
> > > each
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > these serve essential, non-violent, functions. A gun is
> designed to
> > > > > kill; it
> > > > > > > has no other purpose. If people want to shoot targets, use a
> gun
> > > that
> > > > > shoots
> > > > > > > an infrared beam at an electronic target, or play a video game.
> In
> > > > > terms of
> > > > > > > the theory, eliminating guns as a risk makes a lot of sense.
> >
> > > > > > > Eliminating cars has inherent functional problems for our
> society.
> >
> > > > > > Much the same ones as eliminating guns. The biggest one being
> that
> > > > > > those who have them and want them simply WON'T be handing them
> over
> > > to
> > > > > > anyone. This leaves ALL the guns in criminal hands. Personally,
> I'd
> > > > > > rather have one myself, so the criminal doesn't ALWAYS have one
> up on
> > > > > > me. It's obvious that we don't NEED guns or cars, as humans
> lived
> > > > > > many millenia prior to their invention, but, as you say,
> eliminating
> > > > > > things that people want is always tricky.
> >
> > > > > > > Ian
> >
> > > > > > > 2009/2/2 Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >
> > > > > > > > In 'Freakonomics', Steven Levitt explored the remarkable
> > > phenomenon
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > parental misperception of risk. He noted that a child was 11
> > > times
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > likely to die by swimming accident at a friend's house with a
> > > pool,
> > > > > than by
> > > > > > > > shooting accident at a friend's house with a gun, and yet
> parents
> > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > generality never restricted play due to the presence of a
> pool,
> > > but
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > restrict play due to the presence of a gun.
> > > > > > > > Statistically, I am far more likely to kill you with my:
> >
> > > > > > > > car
> > > > > > > > knife
> > > > > > > > baseball bat or other blunt trauma intrument
> > > > > > > > alcohol
> >
> > > > > > > > than with my gun, yet your perception of personal risk is so
> > > skewed
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > you literally feel your freedom is impinged upon merely by my
> > > > > possession of
> > > > > > > > this tool. That's a psychological phenomenon that is really
> > > > > irrelevant to
> > > > > > > > the greater conversation, and which probably deserves a
> thread
> > > unto
> > > > > its
> > > > > > > > own.
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ian Pollard <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > > >wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> Your posession of a firearm makes me less safe. Not being
> > > murdered
> > > > > or hurt
> > > > > > > >> is a pretty fundamental freedom; can we agree on that much?
> Now,
> > > am
> > > > > I more
> > > > > > > >> likely to be a victim of gun crime in a country with lots of
> > > guns or
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> country with very few?
> >
> > > > > > > >> (First person to mention Switzerland gets bitch-slapped.)
> >
> > > > > > > >> Ian- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
>
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