Do you know how many lawyers it takes to change a light bulb KC?
On Feb 7, 4:09 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok Slip, I don't know if your joking now or not, so I'll let you know, > I was joking. I thought my sarcasm and humor was pretty thick, but > maybe not. > > On Feb 7, 3:07 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You know I was thinking it too? Wow! > > > Truthfully, I was not thinking any such thing not even remotely, get > > a grip my friend! > > > Perhaps this is self revealing and something that you should examine > > about yourself. > > > Paranoia is a bad thing KC. > > > On Feb 7, 3:55 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I was only replying to your comment because you identified the author, > > > my comment was really aimed at Fran. BUT I know you were thinking it > > > too. > > > > On Feb 7, 2:53 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > How do you perceive my identification of the quote as any > > > > implication?? > > > > > Are you implying something about me? > > > > > On Feb 7, 3:39 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So is the implication that I am a Nazi? > > > > > > On Feb 7, 2:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's from Hitler’s Zweites Buch. > > > > > > > On Feb 7, 3:19 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > On 7 Feb., 21:51, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > victor david hanson? > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:45 PM, frantheman > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Feb., 01:29, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Nietzsche was a genius, and very troubled man. He can be > > > > > > > > >> mined for all > > > > > > > > >> sorts of ideas and inspirations and much of it is > > > > > > > > >> misrepresentational. > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I've never been convinced of his glorification > > > > > > > > >> of Homeric > > > > > > > > >> Greece and Sparta, as well as his working of the > > > > > > > > >> master-slave theme, > > > > > > > > >> although others have found it inspiring: > > > > > > > > > >> "At one time the Spartans were capable of such a wise > > > > > > > > >> measure, but not > > > > > > > > >> our present, mendaciously sentimental, bourgeois patriotic > > > > > > > > >> nonsense. > > > > > > > > >> The rule of six thousand Spartans over three hundred and > > > > > > > > >> fifty > > > > > > > > >> thousand Helots was only thinkable in consequence of the > > > > > > > > >> high racial > > > > > > > > >> value of the Spartans. But this was the result of a > > > > > > > > >> systematic race > > > > > > > > >> preservation; thus Sparta must be regarded as the first > > > > > > > > >> Völkisch > > > > > > > > >> State. The exposure of sick, weak, deformed children, in > > > > > > > > >> short their > > > > > > > > >> destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times > > > > > > > > >> more humane > > > > > > > > >> than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the > > > > > > > > >> most > > > > > > > > >> pathological subject, and indeed at any price, and yet takes > > > > > > > > >> the life > > > > > > > > >> of a hundred thousand healthy children in consequence of > > > > > > > > >> birth control > > > > > > > > >> or through abortions, in order subsequently to breed a race > > > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > > >> degenerates burdened with illnesses." > > > > > > > > > >> Three guesses who wrote that, as well as the following: > > > > > > > > > > I may not have expressed this clearly. The author was NOT > > > > > > > > > Nietzsche. > > > > > > > > > >> "But for the coming of Christianity, who knows how the > > > > > > > > >> history of > > > > > > > > >> Europe would have developed? Rome would have conquered all > > > > > > > > >> Europe, and > > > > > > > > >> the onrush of the Huns would have been broken on the > > > > > > > > >> legions. It was > > > > > > > > >> Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome—not the > > > > > > > > >> Germans or > > > > > > > > >> the Huns. What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the > > > > > > > > >> materialist and > > > > > > > > >> technical level, Christianity had achieved on the > > > > > > > > >> metaphysical level. > > > > > > > > >> When the Crown sees the throne totter, it needs the support > > > > > > > > >> of the > > > > > > > > >> masses." > > > > > > > > > >> Francis > > > > > > > > > >> On 6 Feb., 23:32, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > Fran, > > > > > > > > >> > I really don't have much of a philosophy that I'm > > > > > > > > >> > seriously committed > > > > > > > > >> > to. More or less I just like to get riled up. I WISH I > > > > > > > > >> > was committed > > > > > > > > >> > to a philosophy, or a view of the world. If pushed, I do > > > > > > > > >> > get quite > > > > > > > > >> > sick of the world though that you espouse. I long for the > > > > > > > > >> > type of > > > > > > > > >> > society that Nietzsche speaks of. He spoke so very highly > > > > > > > > >> > of pre- > > > > > > > > >> > Socratic greece. Society such as Sparta, and pre-Socratic > > > > > > > > >> > Athens. > > > > > > > > >> > Those were cultures that gloried in strength. They didn't > > > > > > > > >> > adopt the > > > > > > > > >> > slave mentality that Christianity has heaped upon us all. > > > > > > > > > >> > Its so popular now for us to speak so badly of > > > > > > > > >> > Christianity, and yet > > > > > > > > >> > what we don't realize is that the world is by and large > > > > > > > > >> > Christian, > > > > > > > > >> > whether they know it or not. No of course they don't say > > > > > > > > >> > they believe > > > > > > > > >> > in Jesus. No, they don't read the Bible. No, they > > > > > > > > >> > probably don't > > > > > > > > >> > even believe in God. But as far as philosophy and world > > > > > > > > >> > view goes, > > > > > > > > >> > they are died in the wool Christian. Its the > > > > > > > > >> > Judeo-Christian world > > > > > > > > >> > view that Nietzsche pointed out gives birth to Nihilism. > > > > > > > > >> > Judeo- > > > > > > > > >> > Christian world view is based on slave mentality. It > > > > > > > > >> > breeds a culture > > > > > > > > >> > of weaklings. Those who would otherwise be strong and > > > > > > > > >> > powerful and > > > > > > > > >> > contribute to a strong and powerful culture, they get > > > > > > > > >> > driven down into > > > > > > > > >> > the dust by slave morality, and everyone is equally > > > > > > > > >> > pathetic. > > > > > > > > > >> > This is what I am on about today. If you want the honest > > > > > > > > >> > truth, Bush > > > > > > > > >> > was an evangelical Christian, and was part of the problem, > > > > > > > > >> > not the > > > > > > > > >> > solution. But relatively speaking, he was stronger and > > > > > > > > >> > less pathetic > > > > > > > > >> > than most. > > > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 6, 3:16 pm, frantheman > > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > Craig, I find your world-view strange and hard to > > > > > > > > >> > > understand. What is > > > > > > > > >> > > "today's pansy laden society?" I am an Irishman, living > > > > > > > > >> > > in Germany. I > > > > > > > > >> > > do not perceive and experience either the country of my > > > > > > > > >> > > birth, or the > > > > > > > > >> > > country in which I live, as "downtrodden and defeated". > > > > > > > > >> > > We are all > > > > > > > > >> > > going through a rough time at the moment (and it will > > > > > > > > >> > > get worse) as a > > > > > > > > >> > > result of greed and stupidity in those responsible for > > > > > > > > >> > > economic > > > > > > > > >> > > affairs in our societies. Such a crisis calls us to > > > > > > > > >> > > examine the > > > > > > > > >> > > principles according to which we organise our communal > > > > > > > > >> > > life and effect > > > > > > > > >> > > changes. As such, it is also an opportunity. > > > > > > > > > >> > > I have the impression - I may be mistaken - that you see > > > > > > > > >> > > a particular > > > > > > > > >> > > model/interpretation of the "American way of life", as > > > > > > > > >> > > being > > > > > > > > >> > > simultaneously better than all others and under acute > > > > > > > > >> > > threat, both > > > > > > > > >> > > from within the US and without. I do not share this way > > > > > > > > >> > > of looking at > > > > > > > > >> > > the world. I live in a western European country, where > > > > > > > > >> > > much, like > > > > > > > > >> > > everywhere else, is imperfect and some things are in a > > > > > > > > >> > > bit of a mess. > > > > > > > > >> > > Nevertheless, I feel free and secure. It is a society > > > > > > > > >> > > where a basic > > > > > > > > >> > > level of assent and consent is present, where, > > > > > > > > >> > > generally, peace, the > > > > > > > > >> > > rule of law and a strong sense of civil rights prevail. > > > > > > > > >> > > It is a > > > > > > > > >> > > culture which, with some exceptions, does have a sense > > > > > > > > >> > > of fundamental > > > > > > > > >> > > decency, where there is a basic solidarity with those > > > > > > > > >> > > who are weaker > > > > > > > > >> > > and a deeply-rooted desire to hand a more or less viable > > > > > > > > >> > > world on to > > > > > > > > >> > > our children and grandchildren. > > > > > > > > > >> > > The Cold War has been over for twenty years now, and I > > > > > > > > >> > > do not feel > > > > > > > > >> > > threatened by the East. I do see a future in which the > > > > > > > > >> > > most populous > > > > > > > > >> > > nations of the world (in particular, the Asian countries > > > > > > > > >> > > of China and > > > > > > > > >> > > India) will have much more influence on a global scale, > > > > > > > > >> > > something > > > > > > > > >> > > which is only just, giving that the two nations I have > > > > > > > > >> > > mentioned alone > > > > > > > > >> > > are home to one third of the world's population. I think > > > > > > > > >> > > there is a > > > > > > > > >> > > good chance that their continuing economic development > > > > > > > > >> > > will be > > > > > > > > >> > > paralleled (causally, it could be argued) by positive > > > > > > > > >> > > developments in > > > > > > > > >> > > civil society (I'm thinking of China particularly here). > > > > > > > > >> > > But maybe one > > > > > > > > >> > > of the lessons we can learn from the Bush era is that > > > > > > > > >> > > these > > > > > > > > >> > > developments will not be furthered by forcing a > > > > > > > > >> > > particular vision of > > > > > > > > >> > > how societies should be ordered through the barrel of a > > > > > > > > >> > > gun, or > > > > > > > > >> > > economic bullying. The developing countries, as well as > > > > > > > > >> > > the tiger > > > > > > > > >> > > economies, have an acute sense of having been > > > > > > > > >> > > historically dominated > > > > > > > > >> > > and exploited by the west - rightly for the most part - > > > > > > > > >> > > and this makes > > > > > > > > >> > > them sensitive about and suspicious of what they > > > > > > > > >> > > perceive as > > > > > > > > >> > > condescending preaching (and incidental defense of the > > > > > > > > >> > > status quo) by > > > > > > > > >> > > the West. > > > > > > > > > >> > > The values formulated in the Enlightenment - liberty, > > > > > > > > >> > > equality, > > > > > > > > >> > > tolerance, representative government, due process and > > > > > > > > >> > > the rule of law, > > > > > > > > >> > > basic solidarity as the foundation of society are > > > > > > > > >> > > embodied (in many > > > > > > > > >> > > respects, imperfectly) in the USA and the Western > > > > > > > > >> > > democracies. 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