Not exclude, embrace - oh the lovely paradox!
On Mar 17, 1:55 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Molly, these are the kind of scripts the soft porn industry is
> waiting for! Go for it! *laughing*
>
> You say: “When we embrace all others as self, all other lives as
> perfect and complete, the soul has fully matured. In writing this, I
> can again experience the sensation.” In our minds eye context I’d have
> to protest, though. My life is neither perfect nor complete, therefore
> you exclude me from your present(ed) we-sensations.
>
> On 17 Mrz., 15:32, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Please forgive me for being so unclear as seeming to dismiss
> > rationality. Just as I think the ego is essential to character and
> > important because it allows us to react and in a split second and not
> > have to learn everything over and over again, I know that the rational
> > mind is essential to the development of logic and allows all kinds of
> > necessary organization for individuals and groups. But we don't end
> > there, there is much more. Our first inklings of soul may take us
> > into uncomfortable and unfamiliar territory - karma can be a bitch!
> > Many of us slip back into our rational comfort zones and try to forget
> > the calling of soul. But call it will, louder and louder, until a
> > dark night takes us into that place of nothingness where we are met
> > with our own humility and invited into the connection of gratitude.
> > For the brave, soul searching eventually gets much better than that.
> > By developing our intuition, meditation and contemplation of the
> > beautiful, we continue our soul searching in ways that are our own.
>
> > For me, my exploration of karma and soul finally became joyful when I
> > was able to look at multiple past lives simultaneously and recognize
> > patterns of identity and value. At that point, what was good and evil
> > in those lives lost their charge because I could understand the
> > balance in the opposition (sorry for mixing threads here.) I think
> > this is the point where we can let go of our karma - and look at all
> > lives, feeling the inherent sacred nature. Karma and its cause and
> > effect are released and no longer in control. The soul searching
> > became much more joyful from here, and I think its because this
> > turning point allows us a direct line to spirit. When we embrace all
> > others as self, all other lives as perfect and complete, the soul has
> > fully matured. In writing this, I can again experience the sensation.
>
> > Just as when the ego matures, it can step aside and allow our higher
> > nature to direct response, at the point mentioned above, the mature
> > soul steps aside to allow that direct experience of spirit. Yet both
> > aspects of self continue to support us, allow us to sense and
> > experience who we are. But here, as you say Slip, we can create our
> > own experience unencumbered by karma, riding the river of spirit as it
> > flows.
>
> > I think that there are, and always have been, people that live their
> > lives as heaven on earth. There are, I think, myriad people in just
> > as many stages of development, all moving through experience in a way
> > that provides a congregate harmony. To know and truly feel the
> > perfection in this is heaven on earth.
>
> > I won't pretend to be in tune with the infinite every moment. But I
> > have my moments. They can be as painful as saying goodbye to a loved
> > one for the last time, feeling that we are always together. They can
> > be as simple as smelling a rose in my garden on a warm spring day and
> > feeling the joy of that moment in everyone. Or they can be more
> > complex and much more globally triumphant. But that is not
> > necessary. Glamour and world recognition aren't necessary.
> > Integration and connection are. That is my experience so far, anyway.
>
> > On Mar 16, 11:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Molly;
> > > It does not matter how late you arrive to the affair, as your presence
> > > is always of pertinence and your contributions appreciated, by, let's
> > > say, most.
> > > The responses to this thread are insightful and show the true depth of
> > > Minds Eye thinkers. As for as soul, we shredded the theory, concept
> > > and belief into finite fragmentation. Your take on soul does coincide
> > > with mine as being the eternal vessel that holds our identity from all
> > > lives. I believe the vessel is mostly empty upon initial birth and
> > > accumulation of knowledge occurs with each lifetime. However, this
> > > did not go over too well with the scientific community, so I decided
> > > to package and market souls, still waiting for the first buyer, seems
> > > no one is really interested in having one, I guess it's the
> > > maintenance aspect that is the deterrent.
> > > How the infinity thread transitioned to soul is beyond reach for me,
> > > but I just ride the river when it flows. One never knows when the
> > > amenities of life will cease to be, so eat when there is food and
> > > laugh in times of jest. I agree that the more we are in tune with our
> > > soul the more the Spirit of cosmic knowledge becomes our cornucopia of
> > > infinite experience.
> > > Perhaps we are escapees from an exploding Krypton that happened upon a
> > > sustainable planet or dumped here by beings from the other side of the
> > > black hole. For me none of that matters because I still relax in the
> > > Jacuzzi under the stars or in the midday, reflecting on my life in the
> > > past, the present or the future.
> > > I would not discount the rational mind so dismissively as it tends to
> > > lay out a clearly defined map that bypasses all the garbage and stench
> > > of the disparaged world. We must rationalize in order to establish
> > > order within ourselves and that part of the world that is immediately
> > > around us. The soul avoids detriment through the rational mind. There
> > > are two sides to rationale Molly, and yes it is true that some use
> > > rationale to avoid much about soul. I personally cannot ignore it, as
> > > I know my paintings, music, and general artistry and multiplicity come
> > > from somewhere beyond here. I wasn't given the name hombre milagro for
> > > nothing. The name comes from the fact that I have the innate sense
> > > that I can do anything that my mind sets forth to do. And, if that is
> > > unachievable there will be someone else that will simply come along to
> > > get it done for me. I've learned much in this lifetime so far and
> > > have much more to learn as we all do, as individuals and as
> > > societies.
> > > We struggle and press forward in the hope that one day, as in a dream,
> > > life will simply become the utopia it was meant to be. I find no need
> > > for economic systems, but simply the need for each to understand that
> > > souls, as much as being individual, are all part of a unity of cosmic
> > > knowledge. I don't see this happening any time soon because humanity
> > > is continually preoccupied with self.
>
> > > On Mar 16, 2:17 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I am so sorry to be late to this discussion! As I read through the
> > > > many viewpoints, I can't help but see the thread of truth in all - and
> > > > that thread leads to soul! I see the soul as our eternal vessel,
> > > > holding our identity from all lives, karma, and also having senses
> > > > like the body has senses. "Let those with eyes see!" This well known
> > > > passage, of course, refers to soul vision. I think that like the ego,
> > > > that holds our personality and patterns of sensation coming from the
> > > > physical senses, our soul allows us sensations of spirit and the
> > > > infinite. The more in tune we are to our soul and all it offers, the
> > > > more we allow God, or spirit or the infinite aspect of life into our
> > > > lives and experience. The more in tune we are with our rational mind,
> > > > the less our soulful nature is expressed.
>
> > > > Of course, everything expressed here is true, because each of us has a
> > > > viewpoint that reflects varying degrees of rationality and
> > > > soulfulness.
>
> > > > I marvel at Justin's ability to make the philosophical case for the
> > > > possibility of soul, as it requires neither time nor space, but
> > > > realizes both through the recognition of our individual lives and
> > > > moments. I can also appreciate Pat's ability to allow physics to lead
> > > > the way to soul, and while we may not have definitive theories today,
> > > > there may be some tomorrow with a simple change in viewpoint. I
> > > > smile, of course, and agree with Neil's plea for soul to show itself
> > > > in this world with love and harmony. And empathize with Slip's
> > > > intuitive understanding, which I can feel and understand best. Vam's
> > > > words are like water, the very nature of spirit. And gabby, like the
> > > > bible, leads us along with allegory, very soulful, indeed.
>
> > > > Of course you know, that I believe this group to be a wonderful soul
> > > > process, as we hold the space of possibility in points across the
> > > > globe. Thanks for the contemplation.
>
> > > > On Mar 15, 1:59 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Wood, you have completely misconstrued the meaning of my post which
> > > > > you also have taken as an individual post without consideration of it
> > > > > being a reply to the post of another.
>
> > > > > Let's clarify!
> > > > > Fran posted on Mar 7, at 10:02 "But none of this "needs" some kind
> > > > > of immaterial soul to hold it
> > > > > together.
> > > > > (in other words fran does not find the need to have a soul)
>
> > > > > So I responded with........."The soul is not something you "need", it
> > > > > is something you have, something you are.”
>
> > > > > So I am not stating that I don't "Need" a soul but more so that a soul
> > > > > does not exist "Out of Need".
>
> > > > > Is this clear?
>
> > > > > IF you will read further you will see that I clearly state my view of
>
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