Lovely and inscrutable post ...as always Neil! :-) I’m not so sure it is lack of interest as much as lack of visible availability. Perhaps the charlatans don’t help much either.
As to being able to ‘check’….as is the case for all scientific exploration, a personal review I find to be the best…how else would I actually know? …faith?... on some of those wondrous published papers we talk about often here? The truth is that much is currently made explicit….again, mostly lack of distribution and acceptance in this current rather barbaric and confused culture. On Mar 20, 10:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > There are phenomenological practices about Orn - I guess part of the > lack of interest is to do with people lying about what they find and > there being no way to check. I sense that much that we do is done in > pretence of secrecy and we'd be better off with a narrative of what we > are looking at made explicit. > > On 18 Mar, 15:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Neil, thanks for the recent, albeit rather barbaric study. I have been > > sharing this type of information all along. For those who missed my > > post with the link to the Santa Barbara Institute, take some time and > > read, watch, listen to as many of the internal links there as you can. > > The place is run by an old friend of mine, Alan Wallace. He taught me > > Tibetan in the mid 80s and I've done 7 day long intensive shamatha > > retreat with him.http://www.sbinstitute.com/ > > > All the way back to William James the scientific study of mind/ > > consciousness has been addressed in western psych. Unfortunately, few > > in the west after James followed his recommendation to not only study > > behavior and the somatic body, but introspection...mind looking at > > mind itself. > > > On Mar 18, 5:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have > > > resolved an ancient question about consciousness. Signals from the > > > electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the coordinated > > > activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us closer to > > > finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be used to > > > probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without > > > inserting electrodes. Previously it wasn't clear whether a dedicated > > > brain area, or "seat of consciousness", was responsible for guiding > > > our subjective view of the world, or whether consciousness was the > > > result of concerted activity across the whole brain (the pineal gland > > > was an old favourite). Probing the process has been a challenge, as > > > non-invasive techniques such as magnetic resonance imaging and EEG > > > give either spatial or temporal information but not both. The best way > > > to get both simultaneously is to implant electrodes deep inside the > > > skull, but it is difficult to justify this in healthy people for > > > ethical reasons (volunteers being those who fail to take two steps > > > backwards). > > > > Between the 10 volunteers, the researchers received information from a > > > total of 176 electrodes, which covered almost the whole brain. During > > > the first 300 milliseconds of the experiment, brain activity during > > > both the non-conscious and conscious tasks was very similar, > > > indicating that the process of consciousness had not kicked in. But > > > after that, there were several types of brain activity that only > > > occurred in the individuals who were aware of the words that were > > > specially delivered in the experiments. > > > > First, there was an increase in the voltage levels of the signals in > > > their brains. Second, the frequency and phase of neurons firing in > > > different parts of the brain seemed to synchronise. Then some of these > > > synchronised signals appeared to be triggering others. For example, > > > activity in the occipital lobe seemed to cause activity in the frontal > > > lobe. Because this activity only occurred in volunteers when they > > > were aware of the words, the research team argue that it constitutes a > > > consciousness signature. As much of this activity was spread across > > > the brain, they say that consciousness has no single "seat". > > > "Consciousness is more a question of dynamics, than of a local > > > activity," is the conclusion. > > > Journal reference: PLoS Biology, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pbio.1000061 > > > > I suspect this may not tell us much more than something about the > > > speeds at which consciousness operates, but I do sense we are > > > approaching understanding at empirical levels that could inspire an > > > Einstein to come up with something we could manipulate conceptually in > > > terms of a theory in touch with empirical testing. I do wonder how > > > far we might be from being able to wire up distantly separated > > > Ornamental monks chanting for peace etc. Sadly the only experiments I > > > can afford to do have to be basic and cheap. Getting Molly and Gabby > > > to hold hands without destroying the universe might be financially > > > feasible, if impossible in reality and people seem to give a damn > > > whether the universe continues for them or not (surprising really as > > > we burn the planet etc. - though not if your basic view of humanity > > > involves the core metaphor 'selfish wankers'). There is a need to > > > remember that empiricism does not need to be left in the hands of cold > > > bullies, but also that it is not E = MC2 (the easy one that is merely > > > a conservation principle example) we do not understand, but how and > > > what to observe. We are always thicker than we think and at the same > > > time more capable, if only we can start the cycle of welcoming the > > > history of mistakes. > > > On 17 Mar, 21:53, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Wherever you are, Molly, you can say you to me. :-) > > > > > On 17 Mrz., 21:14, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not exclude, embrace - oh the lovely paradox! > > > > > > On Mar 17, 1:55 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Molly, these are the kind of scripts the soft porn industry is > > > > > > waiting for! Go for it! *laughing* > > > > > > > You say: “When we embrace all others as self, all other lives as > > > > > > perfect and complete, the soul has fully matured. In writing this, > > > > > > I > > > > > > can again experience the sensation.” In our minds eye context I’d > > > > > > have > > > > > > to protest, though. My life is neither perfect nor complete, > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > you exclude me from your present(ed) we-sensations. > > > > > > > On 17 Mrz., 15:32, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please forgive me for being so unclear as seeming to dismiss > > > > > > > rationality. Just as I think the ego is essential to character > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > important because it allows us to react and in a split second and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > have to learn everything over and over again, I know that the > > > > > > > rational > > > > > > > mind is essential to the development of logic and allows all > > > > > > > kinds of > > > > > > > necessary organization for individuals and groups. But we don't > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > there, there is much more. Our first inklings of soul may take us > > > > > > > into uncomfortable and unfamiliar territory - karma can be a > > > > > > > bitch! > > > > > > > Many of us slip back into our rational comfort zones and try to > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > the calling of soul. But call it will, louder and louder, until a > > > > > > > dark night takes us into that place of nothingness where we are > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > with our own humility and invited into the connection of > > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > For the brave, soul searching eventually gets much better than > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > By developing our intuition, meditation and contemplation of the > > > > > > > beautiful, we continue our soul searching in ways that are our > > > > > > > own. > > > > > > > > For me, my exploration of karma and soul finally became joyful > > > > > > > when I > > > > > > > was able to look at multiple past lives simultaneously and > > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > patterns of identity and value. At that point, what was good and > > > > > > > evil > > > > > > > in those lives lost their charge because I could understand the > > > > > > > balance in the opposition (sorry for mixing threads here.) I > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > this is the point where we can let go of our karma - and look at > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > lives, feeling the inherent sacred nature. Karma and its cause > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > effect are released and no longer in control. The soul searching > > > > > > > became much more joyful from here, and I think its because this > > > > > > > turning point allows us a direct line to spirit. When we embrace > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > others as self, all other lives as perfect and complete, the soul > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > fully matured. In writing this, I can again experience the > > > > > > > sensation. > > > > > > > > Just as when the ego matures, it can step aside and allow our > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > nature to direct response, at the point mentioned above, the > > > > > > > mature > > > > > > > soul steps aside to allow that direct experience of spirit. Yet > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > aspects of self continue to support us, allow us to sense and > > > > > > > experience who we are. But here, as you say Slip, we can create > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > own experience unencumbered by karma, riding the river of spirit > > > > > > > as it > > > > > > > flows. > > > > > > > > I think that there are, and always have been, people that live > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > lives as heaven on earth. There are, I think, myriad people in > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > as many stages of development, all moving through experience in a > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > that provides a congregate harmony. To know and truly feel the > > > > > > > perfection in this is heaven on earth. > > > > > > > > I won't pretend to be in tune with the infinite every moment. > > > > > > > But I > > > > > > > have my moments. They can be as painful as saying goodbye to a > > > > > > > loved > > > > > > > one for the last time, feeling that we are always together. They > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be as simple as smelling a rose in my garden on a warm spring day > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > feeling the joy of that moment in everyone. Or they can be more > > > > > > > complex and much more globally triumphant. But that is not > > > > > > > necessary. Glamour and world recognition aren't necessary. > > > > > > > Integration and connection are. That is my experience so far, > > > > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 11:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Molly; > > > > > > > > It does not matter how late you arrive to the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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