Sue and I can rarely bear the language of most of what intrudes into our lives - it seems like irritating distraction that is aimed at preventing us communicating. I went to an anticrime meeting on Thursday that was a total disaster in this respect. The outright lying and presence of a claque as the police and council people who are failing us so badly made themselves out to be doing a good job. There was no capacity for personal review. I had to leave.
On 20 Mar, 20:06, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Lovely and inscrutable post ...as always Neil! :-) > > I’m not so sure it is lack of interest as much as lack of visible > availability. Perhaps the charlatans don’t help much either. > > As to being able to ‘check’….as is the case for all scientific > exploration, a personal review I find to be the best…how else would I > actually know? …faith?... on some of those wondrous published papers > we talk about often here? > > The truth is that much is currently made explicit….again, mostly lack > of distribution and acceptance in this current rather barbaric and > confused culture. > > On Mar 20, 10:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There are phenomenological practices about Orn - I guess part of the > > lack of interest is to do with people lying about what they find and > > there being no way to check. I sense that much that we do is done in > > pretence of secrecy and we'd be better off with a narrative of what we > > are looking at made explicit. > > > On 18 Mar, 15:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Neil, thanks for the recent, albeit rather barbaric study. I have been > > > sharing this type of information all along. For those who missed my > > > post with the link to the Santa Barbara Institute, take some time and > > > read, watch, listen to as many of the internal links there as you can. > > > The place is run by an old friend of mine, Alan Wallace. He taught me > > > Tibetan in the mid 80s and I've done 7 day long intensive shamatha > > > retreat with him.http://www.sbinstitute.com/ > > > > All the way back to William James the scientific study of mind/ > > > consciousness has been addressed in western psych. Unfortunately, few > > > in the west after James followed his recommendation to not only study > > > behavior and the somatic body, but introspection...mind looking at > > > mind itself. > > > > On Mar 18, 5:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Electrodes implanted in the brains of people with epilepsy might have > > > > resolved an ancient question about consciousness. Signals from the > > > > electrodes seem to show that consciousness arises from the coordinated > > > > activity of the entire brain. The signals also take us closer to > > > > finding an objective "consciousness signature" that could be used to > > > > probe the process in animals and people with brain damage without > > > > inserting electrodes. Previously it wasn't clear whether a dedicated > > > > brain area, or "seat of consciousness", was responsible for guiding > > > > our subjective view of the world, or whether consciousness was the > > > > result of concerted activity across the whole brain (the pineal gland > > > > was an old favourite). Probing the process has been a challenge, as > > > > non-invasive techniques such as magnetic resonance imaging and EEG > > > > give either spatial or temporal information but not both. The best way > > > > to get both simultaneously is to implant electrodes deep inside the > > > > skull, but it is difficult to justify this in healthy people for > > > > ethical reasons (volunteers being those who fail to take two steps > > > > backwards). > > > > > Between the 10 volunteers, the researchers received information from a > > > > total of 176 electrodes, which covered almost the whole brain. During > > > > the first 300 milliseconds of the experiment, brain activity during > > > > both the non-conscious and conscious tasks was very similar, > > > > indicating that the process of consciousness had not kicked in. But > > > > after that, there were several types of brain activity that only > > > > occurred in the individuals who were aware of the words that were > > > > specially delivered in the experiments. > > > > > First, there was an increase in the voltage levels of the signals in > > > > their brains. Second, the frequency and phase of neurons firing in > > > > different parts of the brain seemed to synchronise. Then some of these > > > > synchronised signals appeared to be triggering others. For example, > > > > activity in the occipital lobe seemed to cause activity in the frontal > > > > lobe. Because this activity only occurred in volunteers when they > > > > were aware of the words, the research team argue that it constitutes a > > > > consciousness signature. As much of this activity was spread across > > > > the brain, they say that consciousness has no single "seat". > > > > "Consciousness is more a question of dynamics, than of a local > > > > activity," is the conclusion. > > > > Journal reference: PLoS Biology, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pbio.1000061 > > > > > I suspect this may not tell us much more than something about the > > > > speeds at which consciousness operates, but I do sense we are > > > > approaching understanding at empirical levels that could inspire an > > > > Einstein to come up with something we could manipulate conceptually in > > > > terms of a theory in touch with empirical testing. I do wonder how > > > > far we might be from being able to wire up distantly separated > > > > Ornamental monks chanting for peace etc. Sadly the only experiments I > > > > can afford to do have to be basic and cheap. Getting Molly and Gabby > > > > to hold hands without destroying the universe might be financially > > > > feasible, if impossible in reality and people seem to give a damn > > > > whether the universe continues for them or not (surprising really as > > > > we burn the planet etc. - though not if your basic view of humanity > > > > involves the core metaphor 'selfish wankers'). There is a need to > > > > remember that empiricism does not need to be left in the hands of cold > > > > bullies, but also that it is not E = MC2 (the easy one that is merely > > > > a conservation principle example) we do not understand, but how and > > > > what to observe. We are always thicker than we think and at the same > > > > time more capable, if only we can start the cycle of welcoming the > > > > history of mistakes. > > > > On 17 Mar, 21:53, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Wherever you are, Molly, you can say you to me. :-) > > > > > > On 17 Mrz., 21:14, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Not exclude, embrace - oh the lovely paradox! > > > > > > > On Mar 17, 1:55 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Molly, these are the kind of scripts the soft porn industry is > > > > > > > waiting for! Go for it! *laughing* > > > > > > > > You say: “When we embrace all others as self, all other lives as > > > > > > > perfect and complete, the soul has fully matured. In writing > > > > > > > this, I > > > > > > > can again experience the sensation.” In our minds eye context I’d > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to protest, though. My life is neither perfect nor complete, > > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > you exclude me from your present(ed) we-sensations. > > > > > > > > On 17 Mrz., 15:32, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Please forgive me for being so unclear as seeming to dismiss > > > > > > > > rationality. Just as I think the ego is essential to character > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > important because it allows us to react and in a split second > > > > > > > > and not > > > > > > > > have to learn everything over and over again, I know that the > > > > > > > > rational > > > > > > > > mind is essential to the development of logic and allows all > > > > > > > > kinds of > > > > > > > > necessary organization for individuals and groups. But we > > > > > > > > don't end > > > > > > > > there, there is much more. Our first inklings of soul may take > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > into uncomfortable and unfamiliar territory - karma can be a > > > > > > > > bitch! > > > > > > > > Many of us slip back into our rational comfort zones and try to > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > the calling of soul. But call it will, louder and louder, > > > > > > > > until a > > > > > > > > dark night takes us into that place of nothingness where we are > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > with our own humility and invited into the connection of > > > > > > > > gratitude. > > > > > > > > For the brave, soul searching eventually gets much better than > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > By developing our intuition, meditation and contemplation of the > > > > > > > > beautiful, we continue our soul searching in ways that are our > > > > > > > > own. > > > > > > > > > For me, my exploration of karma and soul finally became joyful > > > > > > > > when I > > > > > > > > was able to look at multiple past lives simultaneously and > > > > > > > > recognize > > > > > > > > patterns of identity and value. At that point, what was good > > > > > > > > and evil > > > > > > > > in those lives lost their charge because I could understand the > > > > > > > > balance in the opposition (sorry for mixing threads here.) I > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > this is the point where we can let go of our karma - and look > > > > > > > > at all > > > > > > > > lives, feeling the inherent sacred nature. Karma and its cause > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > effect are released and no longer in control. The soul > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > became much more joyful from here, and I think its because this > > > > > > > > turning point allows us a direct line to spirit. When we > > > > > > > > embrace all > > > > > > > > others as self, all other lives as perfect and complete, the > > > > > > > > soul has > > > > > > > > fully matured. In writing this, I can again experience the > > > > > > > > sensation. > > > > > > > > > Just as when the ego matures, it can step aside and allow our > > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > nature to direct response, at the point mentioned above, the > > > > > > > > mature > > > > > > > > soul steps aside to allow that direct experience of spirit. > > > > > > > > Yet both > > > > > > > > aspects of self continue to support us, allow us to sense and > > > > > > > > experience who we are. But here, as you say Slip, we can > > > > > > > > create our > > > > > > > > own experience unencumbered by karma, riding the river of > > > > > > > > spirit as it > > > > > > > > flows. > > > > > > > > > I think that there are, and always have been, people that live > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > lives as heaven on earth. 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